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NickdeClaw
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PostSubject: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 7:57 pm

Although we're not 100% sure on everything, right now it looks like Outcast has left ATS, deleted the forums, and significantly changed settings on the server. As we figure out how we're going to move forward, feel free to register and respectfully communicate on the forum.

Council members and other allies will be holding meetings to figure out how to proceed and we will be updating the website to keep you guys informed.

For non-members, please note that this whole process will likely involve dramatic restructuring of ATS procedure and/or power, so if you or your clan has in the past been on bad terms with ATS, consider this an opportunity to start anew and make peace with our clan as a whole. We look forward to working with others to improve the JK2 community through principles of kindness and fair play.

Updates (most recent in bold): We are moving ahead with setting up the new ATS "government" through elections in an ATS Members-only section. The new system of leadership will be based on electing representatives to the Council, which will be the highest authority in ATS. Members of the Council will be composed of admins, moderators, and members who are neither admins nor moderators.


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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 8:40 pm

omg Nick.Looks like no more ATS.Damn!I can not believe this!

Dont be afraid.I will launch server and forum if it need.

Edit by seb: Dont do double post please Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 8:50 pm

Kyle Katarn wrote:
omg Nick.Looks like no more ATS.Damn!I can not believe this!
We've lost our infrastructure, sure, but ATS isn't just a website and a server. As long as we have members who still want to be part of a community, all it takes is a little work to get the website up and going again and figuring out what exactly we want to do with the server. There are lots of options and we have members who are willing to work to rebuild. I encourage all members of ATS who see this topic to contribute your thoughts and your plans.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 8:57 pm

I know.I told that this things about restoring website,server,etc. can be on me.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:02 pm

Well we'll work out the details of who is responsible for what at the meetings, but for now it is good to know that you are on board with us Kyle! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:10 pm

I tested server launch.Success.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:16 pm

Any updates on this matter?


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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:21 pm

Nick and what now? Outcast why left ATS? Wo are the Leaders, Wo are the Admins & Moderators... Still theo ld sistem or evrything is changed?
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:24 pm

Katsuro Nakamura wrote:
Any updated on this matter?
Not yet Katsuro, most likely the biggest announcements will come after we've had our first meeting later today. Mereel is organizing it.

Ali3N wrote:
Nick and what now? Outcast why left ATS? Wo are the Leaders, Wo are the Admins & Moderators... Still theo ld sistem or evrything is changed?
We won't know for sure until we've had our meeting. Outcast stated that he was leaving ATS because it is no longer fun for him. We'll decide on things like leadership and moderators at our meetings. Most likely people who had admin or moderator before will have something similar again. I'm hoping that we will not have a supreme leader anymore, but it depends on what everyone wants. There will definitely be discussion and voting on what to do. The old systems like ranks, recruitment, etc. will almost certainly be the same. But again, nothing is sure until we've had our meetings.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:29 pm

I will assist you guys on getting ATS up and running again. Just tell me where you need me and what I could do.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:29 pm

I know only that, how wo had Admin in the server: Kernow, Hektor, Gich, Moph, U, Outcast, and i think mereel can have. Mereel is one old ATS member and i think he can got Admin in the Server.
Moderators in the website: Vort, Ali3N, Kyle, Kernow, Xaso and etc members wo i dont remember.

If we can search one GOOD leader for ATS, we be fine again. Damn.... I never can belive that, how outcast leave ATS Smile I say RISE ATS!!! We have to live! We are better than other clans. ATS can't be destroyed, ATS is the rule in the JK2 world Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:38 pm

Ali3N wrote:
If we can search one GOOD leader for ATS, we be fine again.
But I would ask what is the purpose of having a single leader? So that everyone is afraid of him and he does as he pleases? I think it would serve our type of community better to have a Council that discusses and votes on matters, with no single person above all others. We need a system that takes into consideration many different viewpoints, and one where the general members are not afraid to request something of the leadership.

I worry that having a single leader will inevitably create a dictatorship that causes people to resent ATS leadership. I for one would vote on having a Council that is carefully selected, all with equal SAY. That doesn't mean that they all have access to the server or the forum administration, but that their collective vote is exercised by those in charge of each element of ATS.

But it is all up to what people want. If people vote to have a supreme leader, then that is our choice.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 9:58 pm

Guyes!Check server. ....................................ATS
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 10:12 pm

i can t find him
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 10:39 pm

Why?Maybe it because your filters?
This got to be in Internet->Get new List and not far from list begining there is .............................ATS

Btw,I saw player Yoshi playing there.It means it runs normaly.

Omg soz.Name for game browser is too long.It named ................................... but the map is yavin_temple Not hard to find this map.^_^
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 11:08 pm

ok i have found it xD
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 11:13 pm

Hello guys :

My point : I guess that for lead, a council would be better, Nick is right. For the forum, here is your new one ^^.
And for the server, you'll have to buy a new one, or lend any other server.

Just : for the council : better is to wait that ALL ats members joined back the forum, and make a poll, opened to only ats members, and then make several players that would be part of the council. No more than 5, because after, too many voices will make troubles, look at policies in the world ... Best would be to take players respected in whole jk2, with good skills, and as smart as possible. Be aware : the outside is important too, look outside ! If you choose leaders not liked outside, it will be a bit as before :/

I guess, that for old leavers, best is to let everyone grow, you see, ref talked that he would come back ats and etc, i didn't understand really he's much confused, all what i know, i that each one has to take his mind, and be free to chose. So maybe, if old leavers still want to don't ally ats, maybe let it as this.

PS : i have my ats tag back, because i know that it makes minds better in this situation Smile.

ATS for life !
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 11:53 pm

nick and aju i love u xD

i dont wanna have 1 single leader... he will grow to outcast... or boss... both with megalomanic attitude...
me and seb discussed a completely other possibility and i will work on a constitution...

so pls wait till i have it...

meetings are good... but not on the server... u cant talk good... i would like to see it here on the forum!!! but i will watch out...
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Sun 13 Dec 2009, 11:57 pm

dont try to say anything bed about Outcast,Xasomur.
Outcast will stay for ever my friend and my teacher of good game play and more.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 12:00 am

i will send u a pm about outcast... Smile i actually liked him... but he was not perfect...
right now it doesnt matter what we think about outcast... its about what we think is best for ats... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 12:05 am

Rah, i spend my nervs enough in zof to don't hear shit about outcast, so not there pls !
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 12:26 am

Kyle Katarn wrote:
dont try to say anything bed about Outcast,Xasomur.
Lots of people have opinions about Outcast, he is by his own design a controversial guy. However, I agree with Kyle. Now is not the time to point fingers at any one person; right now we need to move forward as a team.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 12:41 am

i agree with Nick totally. Ats should not have have a supreme leader but a conglomeration of leaders who are admin with the same power, ATS should be a democracy not a dictatorship! think of the difference between jedi council(democracy) and emporor palpatine (dictator)!
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 1:01 am

I'll spare my opinion on outcast as this is not the time for it, although it is not what you'd think.

In the case of how the leadership should be structured. My vote is a council of people with equal power. This way, it would be harder for one person's opinions to rule over all. Thus preventing off-the-wall decisions that might go against clan views from occurring (or just making those much less likely).

Also some lower admins would be needed as well, to both keep the server interesting with map changes and such. And keep a better eye out for cheaters, lamers, and other such players.

And now I will put my two cents in about my beliefs behind how admin should be done.

3 warnings, then kick, repeat for 3 kicks, warnings may come with a minor action from the admins.

In the case of lamers: on the first warning, /ampsay all <insert lamer's name here>, Stop laming. On the second, Open a map-wide hunt for the lamer, allowing all players to kill the lamer on sight. After say, 5 mins, If the lamer stops laming, end the hunt. On the third warning, Threaten the kick. If they lame after that, kick them. If they reconnect and lame more, just do what you want from the above, warn then, open a hunt, etc.

In the case of spammers/relentless insulters, or people who just speak offensively: On the first warning, tell them not to speak in such a manner or spam (depending on what they are doing). On the second, /amget them and warn them again. (/amget might scare newer players into stopping), On the third, Threaten to kick. and kick if they continue. On future warnings if they reconnect, use any of the above suggestions.

After the third kick...

Lamers: if a lamer reconnects after the third kick and lames more, make them hunted, only able to hold a stun baton. and disable their force. If the player is there after a minute or two, give them their saber back and their force.

Spammers, insulters, etc.: Silence them, and disable rename. They can play, but be mute while doing it. If they are still there after a minute or two, re-enable renaming and unsilence them.

If they continue to offend past this. Implement a simple 1 week ban from the server. But make sure the player knows that they are getting a 1 week ban.

The only real reason to indefinitely ban: IF a player attempts to crash or hack the server.

The idea is to balance a player's general rights, with admin power use. Eliminate the portion of the player that is the problem. Allow them to exist on the server, but be unable to lame easily if at all if they are laming or speak at all If a person is abusing players through the chatbox or is just spamming.

That is my Two cents on admin usage, take it as you will Very Happy.
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PostSubject: Re: What's going on.   Mon 14 Dec 2009, 1:13 am

Some of you ,you do not know Outcast very much i am in this clan 2-3 years+ lately you have not seen me in ATS because i have many studies but now in vacation i will be more online.

It is something true.Outcast sent some e-mails and confirmed that he is out.

So we are only Us who want to ''save the clan''
We need to organise and not like Kyle said before point fingers
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