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nastY



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PostSubject: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 8:04 am

Im asking u guys to add lightning on the server, since its unfair for dark that lights have all force powers and darks doesnt have them all, i really would like you to add it, some player could say its useless, but when u know how to use it and when to use it, its very useful, and it needs skills, i agree we shouldnt spam lightning, but in a ffa, its useful since its free for all, i mean, if u let rage in ffa, why dont u let lightning, rage is damn more annoying then lightning to me...
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 8:35 am

The lighting is still bann 4 ever, cuz lagg many ppl and its anoying, if someone laming whit that...

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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 8:37 am

c'est surtout parce que quand tu mets lightning on, tout les noobs ( qui sont les principales squaters de sol ) en spam, et ca enerve tout le monde. C'est une bonne chose qu'il soit off ! ( ou si on le met, pas plus que lvl 2, le lvl 3 est vraiment abusé !
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 8:38 am

/\/oobs and /\/abs abuse it a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:20 am

I think Lightning should be allowed. So I will enable it (when I am not lazy), and test it out. If too many people complain, I will disable it. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:36 am

It's going to be freaking chaotic. I don't see the point.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:39 am

BlueNinja wrote:
/\/oobs and /\/abs abuse it a lot.

Exactly, however in my opinion lightning was designed for a reason, the manufactures must have invented lightning not to give DS the advantage (what ls guys always think), but to make DS and LS fair and equal. I look at lightning as the equivalent to ABS, so i always thought that if lightning was banned, then ABS should be banned. In fact ABS is probably better as it is multi-purpose..............
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:41 am

i agree, abs sux too. But the thing is that it's the only protection against drain, and ds has offensive powers : drain, gk, while ls doesn't, so ls can only defend = abs
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:47 am

But thats why ABS is so usefull, i dont think even LS users fully appreciate it, it nullifies DS powers drain, grip and lightning, gains force when pushed or pulled against, makes is much harder for the enemy to push, pull or PK, and makes a pk chain almost impossible. To get all that for one force power makes ABS supreme........
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 9:49 am

phoenix : if you see a hole, do you jump in it ? no, that's same for abs : you see abs on, so you do'nt use force on it, lol
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 1:38 pm

put another rule, like dont abuse with lightning, and if it happens, just punish that one abusing without being too hard with him, i mean, just sleep him, or something like that, to show him that he must not abuse with it... cause if u keep lightning disabled, u should disable a force in light side too, to make it fair Wink
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 3:22 pm

We might as well try it out. Although I am pessimistic with it working I see less reason to not at least TRY.

Nasty deleting a light side force for 'fairness' is illogical - Light side force are mainly self-centered ie. They are defensive and focused on healing, protection, disguise etc.... You can't aggresivly abuse a light side force. Dark side force is much more aggesive and actually hurts people - This is the problem because people start abusing it on others.

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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 4:01 pm

Lightning has been enabled.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Thu 08 Apr 2010, 7:43 pm

the issue is that abs is maybe good to defend against noobs, but once people now to play, then abs doesn't help that much anymore.
If you compare to drain : it takes away ennemy force and makes you heal.
Rage : it increases speed, attack rate, and lowers tooken damages

Now ls :
Abs : makes you not affected by force powers, but it makes you freeze for a second, and you win some force when you absorb force
Protect : Lowers the damages on HP only, and takes the hp on the force
Heal : takes half force to get +25hp
mindtrick : makes you invisible until you attack or use force.

So if you compare : drain = heal + steals force
rage = protect + speed + increases attack rate

So each ds power is more powerfull than ls : it gives defence advantages, and also helps attack in the same time.

You can't complain about your powers. DS is still very powerfull. And on a ls vs ds, lighting is absolutly useless, because with abs, you can get full force absorbing ligthing.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 12:01 am

this prove you ppl have MUCH to learn
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 1:12 am

the only true reason to ban lightning from ffa is, that newbies are running through the map spamming it.
signing their own suicide.

but we want to ensure an entry in this game. so rather take the newbs the most annoying force, maybe then they have a higher chance to get a start Smile

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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 2:50 am

threestar wrote:
this prove you ppl have MUCH to learn

what are you talking about ?
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 4:16 am

Ajunta Pall wrote:
So each ds power is more powerfull than ls

I dont agree with this. Im sure the manufacturers will have made this game with total fairness between the forces in mind. I would say that with all force powers enabled, the power difference between LS & DS is equal.

What the manufactures probably didnt intend was people having so many force points in thier arsenal before choosing forces. If you look at the amount of force points that are available on server, then you go on your own network and create your own game (with bots ect....) even with the force master set a "JEDI MASTER" you still dont get anywhere near as many points to put on your forces as you do on the servers. It is the fact that the people on server make more points available for people than the manufacturers intended that makes the distinction between the forces much more prominent.

Also the force regen must bear some of the blame, if we go on server the force regen is at maximum, however the default force regen which the manufacturers intended for people to use is much less than that, and is far far slower at recharging. The force recharge rate must also complecate the difference between the force. (you go on your own server, and set up a game with bots. Then try doing GK or PK chain, or even STPK, and just watch how quickly your force pool reduces and how long it takes to recharge.) This is the reason that their as so many arguements about forces, because they have been made more prominent by server runners, and therefore have a more significant baring on the game.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 8:31 am

Phoenix wrote:
What the manufactures probably didnt intend was people having so many force points in thier arsenal before choosing forces. If you look at the amount of force points that are available on server, then you go on your own network and create your own game (with bots ect....) even with the force master set a "JEDI MASTER" you still dont get anywhere near as many points to put on your forces as you do on the servers. It is the fact that the people on server make more points available for people than the manufacturers intended that makes the distinction between the forces much more prominent.
The number of Force points available on our server is unmodded. It is basejk Jedi Master level.
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 11:03 am

im on the server atm and lightning is still disabled...
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 11:13 am

Phoenix wrote:
Also the force regen must bear some of the blame, if we go on server the force regen is at maximum, however the default force regen which the manufacturers intended for people to use is much less than that, and is far far slower at recharging. The force recharge rate must also complecate the difference between the force. (you go on your own server, and set up a game with bots. Then try doing GK or PK chain, or even STPK, and just watch how quickly your force pool reduces and how long it takes to recharge.) This is the reason that their as so many arguements about forces, because they have been made more prominent by server runners, and therefore have a more significant baring on the game.

Nothing is modded, it's all commands that the manufacturers have left to the players : /cg_forceregenetime. This is full jK2. And it doesn't do any problem, since it doesn't prevent at all people from killing each other. And tell me : where would be the fun of not being able to do a pk chain, or a gk, or a tpk on a ffa ? ff ?
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 11:15 am

aju, you didnt play this game the first time after it was released... Razz

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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 11:43 am

Xasomur wrote:
the only true reason to ban lightning from ffa is, that newbies are running through the map spamming it.
signing their own suicide.

but we want to ensure an entry in this game. so rather take the newbs the most annoying force, maybe then they have a higher chance to get a start Smile

not to mention that newbies also abuse it to lame when also empowered
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm

as i said, put a rule against people abusing with lightning, but this force is a skill, this was the most used force power when jk2 first came out, when you know how to use it and when to use it, it becomes a skill, not an annoying force power, rage is more annoying than lightning to me and its still there...
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PostSubject: Re: lightning on server!   Fri 09 Apr 2010, 12:21 pm

nastY wrote:
as i said, put a rule against people abusing with lightning, but this force is a skill, this was the most used force power when jk2 first came out, when you know how to use it and when to use it, it becomes a skill, not an annoying force power, rage is more annoying than lightning to me and its still there...




the more annoying power is Drain of this important reason:

When People are running out of health and are fightin ppl that are fightin em back after they were lamed,they drain spam til they suck their force dry like a vampire with blood and they newb for health this way
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