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PostSubject: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 3:44 pm

Why will Argentina gain the world cup? An analysis based on numbers...
The sympathizers with soccer commit serious logical errors when they evaluate the probabilities of success of his own one selected in a world cup. Here, an analysis absolutely objective and based on the information that demonstrates why Argentina will gain the cup in South Africa 2010...


We are in hours of the initial kick of the World cup of Soccer South Africa 2010. In the last weeks, since it always happens in these events, the most diverse speculations have been thrown about whom it will remain with the cup.

Nevertheless, the predictions are hard affected by a key factor: the nationality of the analyst.

So I traced, inside the sports press of the considered countries "big candidates", articles of analysts specialized with predictions about the performance of every team.

The information confirms the initial hypothesis. Strong slants are observed in the compilation, analysis and interpretation of the information.

In Brazil, Spain, France, Germany, Holland, England, and Italy, there registers a systematical overestimate of the possibilities of the proper national cocktail. In the Argentina, curiously, the slant is evident in the opposite direction: the analysts underestimate the chances of the team.

This phenomenon is, up to a point, a soccer declaration of the slants that affect the executives at the time of analyzing information for the decision making. With a lot of frequency, we look and present only the information that confirm our intuitions while we reject those that contradict our theory.

Thus I proposed to realize an absolutely impartial analysis. I submitted the big favorites above mentioned to a meticulous compilation of information and a rigorous logical evaluation. Without prejudices, without manipulations, without slovenly models econométricos, not the passion of the sympathizer with soccer...

With the suitable information, using only the reason and the common sense, demostraré that the Argentina will be the next champion of the world.

As the dynamics of the tournament, we will advance eliminating successively every candidate, up to observing that selected of Diego Maradona it is the only one that supports the cold empirical test.


England and Brazil, the favorites of the investment banks

In the last weeks, the banks JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs reports published with predictions on the performance of the different countries in South Africa 2010. The first one thinks that champion will be England. The second one, that the cup will travel to Brazil.

How did they come to these conclusions? With information extracted from diverse bookmakers to which they applied the same quantitative models that they use in his trading operations.

Although: can we entrust in the same mathematical models that they were affirming that the mortgage investments were sure?

Finally, the predictions of the models depend on the assumptions with with that they are constructed, considering in major or minor measured the variables that they assure to us that we will obtain the wished results. And these assumptions depend on the interests of the analysts (and of his chiefs).

Since it shows, it is enough the following thing. The model of Goldman Sachs supports that the United States have 2,81 % of probabilities of remaining with the cup, over the Portugal of Cristiano Ronaldo (and almost the triple that Paraguay, which did an impeccable qualifying round!).

Is very crazy to think that one treats the North American government as a "return of gentleness" for the salvataje that the bank received in October, 2008?

It is clear that any prediction realized with these models is slanted and erroneous. Thus we can deduce that neither England nor Brazil will gain the cup of the world.

Spain, not a world cup team

In 2008, Spain gained the Eurocup. Like that, many indicate it like favorite for South Africa 2010.

But, if we analyze the historical information, simply we see that Spain never went so far as to dispute even a semifinal of a Cup of the World (not even in 1982, when he organized the tournament). The T-shirt that they will dress Puyol, Xavi and the Child Toast it does not give good results in the world cups.

Logically, we can eliminate it of the list of candidates.

Holland, great players ground but without world cups

Holland, with scarcely 16 millions of inhabitants, is perhaps the ground with major good players production per cápita of the world. From there there went out Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit, Marco Van Basten, Frank Rikjaard, Edgar Davids and Patrick Kluivert, between others.

But the true thing is that Holland almost has not benefited from his soccer talent. Although these players have excelled in the best clubs of the world, his performance in the world cups has been very poor.

In 1974, the Mechanical Orange of Cruyff and Rinus Michels could not in the final against the Germany of Franz Beckenbauer y Gerd Müller.

In 1978, another fall in the final, this time with Argentina.

In 1990, the stars of historical Milan de Arrigo Sacchi came like favorites, with Gullit, Van Basten, and Rikjaard, in his best moment. But they fell down in eighth of end, leaving a sad image.

What there could not Cruyff, Gullit, Van Basten, Rikjaard, Bergkamp, Davids and so many other stars: will they be able to obtain it in South Africa Heitinga, Van der Vaart, Babel and Huntelaar? (with the whole respect that these good players deserve).

Logically, we can eliminate Holland of the list of candidates.

Italy cannot gain two followed world cups

In the postwar period, no team gained two world cups continued with the same technical director.

Argentina conquered the trophy in 1978 with César Luis Menotti. But it did a slack role in 1982 with the same driver.

In 1986, it devoted itself again, this time, with Carlos Salvador Bilardo. In 1990, it had the poorest performance. If it came to the final it was only for the heroic hands of Sergio Goycochea.

It is clear that to support the same leader generates a repetition of the old recipe that led to the success in the previous tournament. But, in a soccer as dynamic as that of today, this is a way to the defeat.

Since it is known, the DT of Italy is Marcello Lippi, the same one who gained the cup in 2006. Inevitably, it will be unable to repeat the victory in 2010.

With all confidence, then, we can eliminate to the square azzurra of the list of candidates.

France, without Zidane it is impossible

France is the country that more has progressed futbolísticamente in the last years. Between 1930 and 1994, it did not dispute any final of a world cup. In 1998 champion devoted himself for the first time, in that one remembered 3-0 against Brazil in Saint-Denis. In 2006, it lost the final for penalties against Italy.

The golden years of the French soccer have an explanation with name and surname: Zinedine Zidane.

In fact, in Korea - Japan 2002, when France was eliminated in the first round, Zidane was injured and one lost the first two parties. Newly they included it in the third one, still disabled, but the luck was already lazy.

Zizou played his last party for them "bleus" in the final of 2006 against Italy. His career finished with that remembered butt rear Marco Materazzi. And, with this expulsion, they finished also the golden years of the French soccer.

We can, then, affirm with absolute certainty that France will not gain the world cup.

Germany and the geographical impossibility

Germany never came to the final of a world cup disputed in the south hemisphere. Even more, three world cups that it gained were in Switzerland (1954), Germany (1974) and Italy (1990). Namely always playing of place or inside an area of influence near to his borders.

The causes of this phenomenon still have not been clearly elucidated. But, to the ends of our investigation, we do not need to investigate any more.

South Africa stays in the south hemisphere and to almost 10.000 kilometers of Berlin, throwing for ground all the German aspirations to obtain his fourth cup of the world.

Argentina champion, out of necessity statistics

So far, we have developed a logical / statistical rigorous method that it has been eliminating successively to the different candidates for rising with the cup.

Now we will see how the same method allows us to deduce that the Argentine selection will note down his third world cup in South Africa.

The parallelism of the dying classification: This is a well-known argument, but not for less powerful it.

In 1985, Argentina qualified to the World cup with a dying goal of Ricardo Gareca against Peru in the stadium of River Plate. And, since it is known, the albiceleste remained with the Cup in Mexico '86.

In 2009, 24 years later, Martín Palermo marked the goal of the classification, in the same arch of the same stadium, against the same rival and also pushing a center rasante on the line. The parallelism is clear.

The parallelism of the leadership: In Mexico '86 and Italy '90 the key managing vacancies of the Argentine selection were filled by Julio Humberto Grondona (president of the AFA), Carlos Salvador Bilardo (the technical director) and Diego Maradona (who was handling the team inside the field).

After 20 years of drought, in 2010, Argentina has the same persons in leadership positions. Grondona continues like president of the AFA, Bilard returned like general manager of the selection and Maradona it is the DT.

Whenever these three persons were in the same team during a world cup, the Argentina came, like minimum, to the final (and it could remain with the cup in Italy, of not having been for that doubtful penalty received for the Mexican umpire Edgardo Codesal, that Andreas Brehme changed for goal). Again, the parallelism is clear.

The parallelism of the climate: A meticulous analysis of the information reveals to us that all the world cups disputed in the south hemisphere were gained by countries of the above mentioned hemisphere: Uruguay 1930 (champion Uruguay), Brazil 1950 (champion Uruguay), Chile 1962 (champion Brazil), Argentina 1978 (champion Argentina).

It is clear that the European teams are not prepared to gain a world cup in winter and in a ground where the water goes away for the toilet in direction opposite to that they are used. Then, the possible champions are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, New Zealand, Paraguay, South Africa and Uruguay.

It is not necessary to extend us on the cases of Australia, Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, Paraguay and Uruguay. Nobody in his healthy judgment would put them in the list of candidates. And, more above, we have told why Brazil will not be the champion. This leaves us to the Argentina like the only possibility.

Finally, in the last weeks we have heard all kinds of speculations about the results of the next cup of the world.

The majority is based on the passion futbolera or on mathematical models which apparent objectivity conceals, in fact, strong slants in the assumptions to obtain the wished result.

As one day the famous statistician Damodar Gujarati said: "If the sufficient thing is tortured to the information, these finish with confessing".

In this article, we have developed an absolutely objective and impartial analysis, with accurate and indisputable information that anyone can verify, without fanaticisms, without prejudices, without colors or secret interests.

Thanks to this analysis, we have identified correctly the causes and effects that explain the performance of a team in a world cup. This way, we can affirm, logically, that chosen Argentinian will rise with the Cup of the World 2010. It is a historical need.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 3:53 pm

Sebbat go to sleep lol.... Ya vete a dormir! XD
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 7:50 pm

Someone important in this clan told me not to tell u who said it but he said that argentina sucks at football xD and its true! I think italy or france will get it.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 9:06 pm

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 9:38 pm

@ bdl
ITALY OR FRANCE??????
FROM WHICH PLANET ARE YOU?
DO YOU TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL??????

france plays football like my ass. there is only sh!t coming out. (oh man, that was harsh... soz)
italy sucks. they cant play. only conter. this time the teams like spain brasil and germany are too good for it.

but still sebbats explanation is crap. it tells that its only made up pseudo-facts wont make a winner, when it talks about brazil and england. this counts for argentina too. its just contradicting. screw that explanation.

there are two things you can believe in: the way the team plays... or the mathmatics.

looking on how argentina palyed, in relation to germany... argentina sucks. (just like france as well) brazil and spain yet to come. we will see what they can bring.

but the MATHMATICS show that germany will win.
Germany won the world cup in 1990, 1974 and 1954.
so: 1990 + 1974 - 1954 = 2010
PWNED.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 10:51 pm

sebbo dont spam shit of argentinia they LOST OF GERMANY
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 11:06 pm

i think best teams are spain, portugal, germany, brazil, argentina.

Me i bet on argentina.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 1:54 am

You forgot Netherlands
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 2:14 am

nah, they arn't good enough.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 4:01 am

lol seb, thats a monster post worthy of phoe, xaso, kp and nick. Smile

Shame i disagree, i dont think even Messi played that well against nigeria, and he's your best player (if not world best). Yeah u won, but your going to have to produce better than that to take the cup. I think you will do better than us, but there is room for improvement.

My favourites are brazil or spain as favourites, with portugal, italy and netherlands as outsiders. Germany also look strong, they could be in with a shot too. France and Engand, i dont think so, i hate to say it, but our team still are no where near convicing enough, and us Englanders have had too many let downs in the past, so we dont get our hopes up anymore now. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 4:05 am

netherlands disappointed. and italy never plays well. defense until the worlds crashes down and then a late conter... its no football. its just crap.
germany is the portugal killer. they just have to hear the name Schweinsteiger and they all crawl in the next hole ^^
and if argentina plays like they played that first game, they will loose against germany as well. at the moment the only real enemies are brazil and spain Razz
and thats no lie ^^

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 4:14 am

That this analysis is very well thought but, i think that whoever wins the World Cup, will be by the performance of the players in each match. Many selections have their best players injured or missing.
For example:
Germany: Ballack is injured
England: Beckham is unjured
Brazil: Adriano and Ronaldinho did not play.
France: Karim Benzema didnt play
Italy: Materazzi didnt play
I put these teams because they are "candidates"
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 4:16 am

I honestly think that club teams like, Manchester United, Arsenal or Chelsea would have more chance of winning the world cup, if they could play, than what the international team England have. Its all about team chemistry, and England lack it. Yet English clubs are thriving with it.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 4:26 am

Its just an opinion lol, it was funny so i posted it xD, France can be world champion, but italy :/
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 5:50 am

france??? did you see them playing??? they play like amateurs xD

and yes, true, in many teams important players are injuried... but i guess that ballack is ill helps the team. he is a great player. but he doesnt fit in a german team. he better fits to england. but germany needs players that fit together in a team on the same level. and ballack doesnt play german football. he plays harsh with low movements. giving out passes that even the own team is expecting.
as it is now khedira managing the defense and schweinsteiger the offense, and lahm the whole team, is just perfection ^^

OBSESSION ALERT XD

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 6:50 am

I have a new fact, heinze scored the first goal of Argentina at '6 its the same minute than Argentina scored his first goal in 1986 world cup Smile
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 7:15 am

da mucho qe leer :/
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 7:17 am

Well.. Italy 0-1 Paraguay, beware with Paraguay, he can make a lil surprise
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 9:05 am

yes, i am more afraid of paraguay than of italy...
fouling and falling wimps... learn to play football... thinks they are world champions and play like beginners. even in the second half paraguay was at least equal.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 9:14 am

Argentina and germany are my favorites Smile
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 9:58 am

1-1 :/ Paraguay diserved to win the match
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Tue 15 Jun 2010, 7:50 pm

I just hope that whatever team rolnado is in doesnt win! I HATE ROLNADO!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Wed 16 Jun 2010, 9:24 am

indeed. portugal sucked hard. ivory coast was better. shit that they didnt win ^^
ronaldo is an arrogant jerk... though he was the only portugese playing football.

brazil wasnt bad. they tried to play germany football. that needs a comparison to the german match. brazil tried too much kicks from far distance. germany combined more with more success. they tried too much alone and through the middle. so they just ran into the defense of NK.
their first goal was a mistake of their goalkeeper. he did the gailure of amateur keepers. he has stand right at the pillar... but he left space for an elephant to run through. the second goal was far better.
their defense was very good. but to the end of the half times their lost their concentration... which caused the goal.
their attacks were too slow. if they want to get through the middle of that defense, they have to make a fast surprising attack, like germany did some. but they made it too slow, so their defense could form.

these things failed in relation to germany. but they did no fail passes, just like germany didnt as well.
but you have to say, that NK played alot better, two leagues higher, than australia.

brazil didnt shine, but they were quite good. screw the first half.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Wed 16 Jun 2010, 9:43 am

If Portugal and Ivory Coast play like they played today, i think that north korea can make a surprise in that group ^^
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Wed 16 Jun 2010, 7:45 pm

don't see nuttin 'bout us Americans >Sad
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