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PostSubject: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Mon 14 Jun 2010, 3:44 pm

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Why will Argentina gain the world cup? An analysis based on numbers...
The sympathizers with soccer commit serious logical errors when they evaluate the probabilities of success of his own one selected in a world cup. Here, an analysis absolutely objective and based on the information that demonstrates why Argentina will gain the cup in South Africa 2010...


We are in hours of the initial kick of the World cup of Soccer South Africa 2010. In the last weeks, since it always happens in these events, the most diverse speculations have been thrown about whom it will remain with the cup.

Nevertheless, the predictions are hard affected by a key factor: the nationality of the analyst.

So I traced, inside the sports press of the considered countries "big candidates", articles of analysts specialized with predictions about the performance of every team.

The information confirms the initial hypothesis. Strong slants are observed in the compilation, analysis and interpretation of the information.

In Brazil, Spain, France, Germany, Holland, England, and Italy, there registers a systematical overestimate of the possibilities of the proper national cocktail. In the Argentina, curiously, the slant is evident in the opposite direction: the analysts underestimate the chances of the team.

This phenomenon is, up to a point, a soccer declaration of the slants that affect the executives at the time of analyzing information for the decision making. With a lot of frequency, we look and present only the information that confirm our intuitions while we reject those that contradict our theory.

Thus I proposed to realize an absolutely impartial analysis. I submitted the big favorites above mentioned to a meticulous compilation of information and a rigorous logical evaluation. Without prejudices, without manipulations, without slovenly models econométricos, not the passion of the sympathizer with soccer...

With the suitable information, using only the reason and the common sense, demostraré that the Argentina will be the next champion of the world.

As the dynamics of the tournament, we will advance eliminating successively every candidate, up to observing that selected of Diego Maradona it is the only one that supports the cold empirical test.


England and Brazil, the favorites of the investment banks

In the last weeks, the banks JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs reports published with predictions on the performance of the different countries in South Africa 2010. The first one thinks that champion will be England. The second one, that the cup will travel to Brazil.

How did they come to these conclusions? With information extracted from diverse bookmakers to which they applied the same quantitative models that they use in his trading operations.

Although: can we entrust in the same mathematical models that they were affirming that the mortgage investments were sure?

Finally, the predictions of the models depend on the assumptions with with that they are constructed, considering in major or minor measured the variables that they assure to us that we will obtain the wished results. And these assumptions depend on the interests of the analysts (and of his chiefs).

Since it shows, it is enough the following thing. The model of Goldman Sachs supports that the United States have 2,81 % of probabilities of remaining with the cup, over the Portugal of Cristiano Ronaldo (and almost the triple that Paraguay, which did an impeccable qualifying round!).

Is very crazy to think that one treats the North American government as a "return of gentleness" for the salvataje that the bank received in October, 2008?

It is clear that any prediction realized with these models is slanted and erroneous. Thus we can deduce that neither England nor Brazil will gain the cup of the world.

Spain, not a world cup team

In 2008, Spain gained the Eurocup. Like that, many indicate it like favorite for South Africa 2010.

But, if we analyze the historical information, simply we see that Spain never went so far as to dispute even a semifinal of a Cup of the World (not even in 1982, when he organized the tournament). The T-shirt that they will dress Puyol, Xavi and the Child Toast it does not give good results in the world cups.

Logically, we can eliminate it of the list of candidates.

Holland, great players ground but without world cups

Holland, with scarcely 16 millions of inhabitants, is perhaps the ground with major good players production per cápita of the world. From there there went out Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit, Marco Van Basten, Frank Rikjaard, Edgar Davids and Patrick Kluivert, between others.

But the true thing is that Holland almost has not benefited from his soccer talent. Although these players have excelled in the best clubs of the world, his performance in the world cups has been very poor.

In 1974, the Mechanical Orange of Cruyff and Rinus Michels could not in the final against the Germany of Franz Beckenbauer y Gerd Müller.

In 1978, another fall in the final, this time with Argentina.

In 1990, the stars of historical Milan de Arrigo Sacchi came like favorites, with Gullit, Van Basten, and Rikjaard, in his best moment. But they fell down in eighth of end, leaving a sad image.

What there could not Cruyff, Gullit, Van Basten, Rikjaard, Bergkamp, Davids and so many other stars: will they be able to obtain it in South Africa Heitinga, Van der Vaart, Babel and Huntelaar? (with the whole respect that these good players deserve).

Logically, we can eliminate Holland of the list of candidates.

Italy cannot gain two followed world cups

In the postwar period, no team gained two world cups continued with the same technical director.

Argentina conquered the trophy in 1978 with César Luis Menotti. But it did a slack role in 1982 with the same driver.

In 1986, it devoted itself again, this time, with Carlos Salvador Bilardo. In 1990, it had the poorest performance. If it came to the final it was only for the heroic hands of Sergio Goycochea.

It is clear that to support the same leader generates a repetition of the old recipe that led to the success in the previous tournament. But, in a soccer as dynamic as that of today, this is a way to the defeat.

Since it is known, the DT of Italy is Marcello Lippi, the same one who gained the cup in 2006. Inevitably, it will be unable to repeat the victory in 2010.

With all confidence, then, we can eliminate to the square azzurra of the list of candidates.

France, without Zidane it is impossible

France is the country that more has progressed futbolísticamente in the last years. Between 1930 and 1994, it did not dispute any final of a world cup. In 1998 champion devoted himself for the first time, in that one remembered 3-0 against Brazil in Saint-Denis. In 2006, it lost the final for penalties against Italy.

The golden years of the French soccer have an explanation with name and surname: Zinedine Zidane.

In fact, in Korea - Japan 2002, when France was eliminated in the first round, Zidane was injured and one lost the first two parties. Newly they included it in the third one, still disabled, but the luck was already lazy.

Zizou played his last party for them "bleus" in the final of 2006 against Italy. His career finished with that remembered butt rear Marco Materazzi. And, with this expulsion, they finished also the golden years of the French soccer.

We can, then, affirm with absolute certainty that France will not gain the world cup.

Germany and the geographical impossibility

Germany never came to the final of a world cup disputed in the south hemisphere. Even more, three world cups that it gained were in Switzerland (1954), Germany (1974) and Italy (1990). Namely always playing of place or inside an area of influence near to his borders.

The causes of this phenomenon still have not been clearly elucidated. But, to the ends of our investigation, we do not need to investigate any more.

South Africa stays in the south hemisphere and to almost 10.000 kilometers of Berlin, throwing for ground all the German aspirations to obtain his fourth cup of the world.

Argentina champion, out of necessity statistics

So far, we have developed a logical / statistical rigorous method that it has been eliminating successively to the different candidates for rising with the cup.

Now we will see how the same method allows us to deduce that the Argentine selection will note down his third world cup in South Africa.

The parallelism of the dying classification: This is a well-known argument, but not for less powerful it.

In 1985, Argentina qualified to the World cup with a dying goal of Ricardo Gareca against Peru in the stadium of River Plate. And, since it is known, the albiceleste remained with the Cup in Mexico '86.

In 2009, 24 years later, Martín Palermo marked the goal of the classification, in the same arch of the same stadium, against the same rival and also pushing a center rasante on the line. The parallelism is clear.

The parallelism of the leadership: In Mexico '86 and Italy '90 the key managing vacancies of the Argentine selection were filled by Julio Humberto Grondona (president of the AFA), Carlos Salvador Bilardo (the technical director) and Diego Maradona (who was handling the team inside the field).

After 20 years of drought, in 2010, Argentina has the same persons in leadership positions. Grondona continues like president of the AFA, Bilard returned like general manager of the selection and Maradona it is the DT.

Whenever these three persons were in the same team during a world cup, the Argentina came, like minimum, to the final (and it could remain with the cup in Italy, of not having been for that doubtful penalty received for the Mexican umpire Edgardo Codesal, that Andreas Brehme changed for goal). Again, the parallelism is clear.

The parallelism of the climate: A meticulous analysis of the information reveals to us that all the world cups disputed in the south hemisphere were gained by countries of the above mentioned hemisphere: Uruguay 1930 (champion Uruguay), Brazil 1950 (champion Uruguay), Chile 1962 (champion Brazil), Argentina 1978 (champion Argentina).

It is clear that the European teams are not prepared to gain a world cup in winter and in a ground where the water goes away for the toilet in direction opposite to that they are used. Then, the possible champions are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Chile, New Zealand, Paraguay, South Africa and Uruguay.

It is not necessary to extend us on the cases of Australia, Chile, New Zealand, South Africa, Paraguay and Uruguay. Nobody in his healthy judgment would put them in the list of candidates. And, more above, we have told why Brazil will not be the champion. This leaves us to the Argentina like the only possibility.

Finally, in the last weeks we have heard all kinds of speculations about the results of the next cup of the world.

The majority is based on the passion futbolera or on mathematical models which apparent objectivity conceals, in fact, strong slants in the assumptions to obtain the wished result.

As one day the famous statistician Damodar Gujarati said: "If the sufficient thing is tortured to the information, these finish with confessing".

In this article, we have developed an absolutely objective and impartial analysis, with accurate and indisputable information that anyone can verify, without fanaticisms, without prejudices, without colors or secret interests.

Thanks to this analysis, we have identified correctly the causes and effects that explain the performance of a team in a world cup. This way, we can affirm, logically, that chosen Argentinian will rise with the Cup of the World 2010. It is a historical need.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 1:19 am

VANOS ARGENTINA GANAMOS 4 a 1
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 1:21 am

VAMOS ARGENTINAA CARAJO!! 4 A 1 !!! grandee el pipaa higuainn!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 1:54 am

argentina played ok. but still they needed the koreans to score the first goal in their favor.
the koreans played the first 25 minutes of the second half at least as good as argentina. the two goals argentina scored then, could only be scored because korea was so offensive.
i dont want to make them bad, the goals were nice, but you have to face that this effort never will be enough to beat one of the teams that has both: a good offense AND defense... and a good tactic.
they just played slightly better than against nigeria

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 5:11 am

Xaso, i think that Argentina played better than germany played, Argentina had just one error, and it was the goal of korea, then Argentina played a great game.

And xaso, we are talking about players, not about coachs, why the best player in the history needs to be winner of a world cup needs to be winner like a coach too
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 8:52 am

Mexico 2-0 France, nice match
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 9:26 am

Woo hoo we won ^^
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 9:53 am

mexico played better than argentina.

one word again to the game of argentina: they needed a goal from the koreans to get into the game. they did many fail passes. if they nex time have a team agaisnt them, that is able to attack, they will cash a lot of goals. and their last two attacks only succeeded because korea tried to attack.
i have to say that korea played better than australia. so if you could see your match as a heavier test than germany head. and youre percentage is far from being perfect. may it be the team of argentina, or the quality of korea: there are many places to work on. germany had only 2 things: use their chances better and start to rule the game from the beginning and dont let the others rule it for the first 5 minutes.
but argentina has huge deficits in defense. the tactics in defense were bad, or the players couldnt perform it. the switch between offense and defense is really bad. they are once to fast and other too slow. and over and over again these fail passes. just imagine your enemy would disturb better than korea, they nearly didnt.
the attack was good. but still: koreans defense was weakened of their intend to play offensive.

maybe than korea wasnt healthy for the argentinians play, but they showed the weaknesses of argentina, some they already showed against nigeria. germany showed less weaknesses. they showed more strengths.

and to the best player of all time:
the thing is that u ask "of all time". and a footballer stays a footballer even if he isnt playing in the national team. and the career of beckenbauer as a footballer after his active career was the best. alot better than pele. not even to mention maradonna.
if you ask, who was the best footballer "of his time" its probably pele at no. 1 and maradonna at no. 2 ... idk whos 3rd xD

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Fri 18 Jun 2010, 1:21 pm


Now greece Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 12:27 am

Argentina did not play better than Germany Seb (in the German's match against Australia). The Argentianian goals were one own goal, one lucky deflecton, and two basic headers because the Korean defense was poor not the Argentina attack being strong Neutral

France HAHAHAHA (English Rivals!) - They are in de shi t! xD

Mexico well deserved the win.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 1:21 am

well... now, both games together, argentina played better.
you just saw, how bad a team can play.
there was no worse performance in this cup. even france was better.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 1:28 am

Xaso germany lost, but in my opinion they lost because the DT of Germany take out one of the best players of the selection: Ozil. But i didnt see the red card to Klose.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 1:30 am

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW THE fly a kite COULD THAT fly a kite HAPPEN GERMANY IS SHIT!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 1:31 am

Germany lost xD - Germany had their chance - Bad penalty shot Neutral Easy save for the goalie. Serbia were the better team.

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 1:56 am

I JUST FOUND OUT A PLAYER ON ARGENTINA CHEATED IN THE WORLD CUP IN 19?? AND MADE ENGLAND LOSE! (he hand balled the ball into the goal!) BOOO! ARGENTINA SU*K!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 3:53 am

Im dont mean to offend anybody, but im over the fly a kite moon that Germany lost, because they were looking a formiddable team, so this will rock them. Very Happy Time to go to the pub soon, hit the sauce, and cheer our lads on Smile

@BDL, i know your young, but i cant believe you have never heard of the 'Hand Of God'. Everybody knows about it. Diego Maradonna in 86 handballed over the keepers head, thats how England got beat.
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 4:01 am

I got up and i saw slovenia usanice match, and i went to the computer and i saw that germany lost, omg, bad luck
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 8:12 pm

hand balling = FOUL!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 8:32 pm

0-0, England officially suck Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 9:00 pm

ARGENTINA WILL WIN I TELL YOU ! ALZALZELAH OUAKABRA !!!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 11:06 pm

Doesn't anybody here have doubts? or is it only me????
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 11:13 pm

douts over what? I have doubts that argentina will win, but i have no doubts that england wont. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sat 19 Jun 2010, 11:28 pm

I don't got none bout America (cuz they got no part in it) Razz
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sun 20 Jun 2010, 12:13 am

Its just too embarassing - Possible the easiest (by comparison) qualifications group we've ever had and we could be out. Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sun 20 Jun 2010, 4:03 am

Ghana Ghana Ghana!
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PostSubject: Re: This is why Argentina is gonna be world cup champion :P   Sun 20 Jun 2010, 7:39 am

Get rid of lampard and we will win.
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