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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 4:30 am

Tiger you should leave Outcast, especially if Ralen is a friend. Outcast is dictator and Kyle is one of his henchman. Join SOL and you will be much happier.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 4:51 am

most banned? most banned is fisto.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 5:03 am

no, xaso it was me by far. just ask outcast. i was with you guys all along. u never knew it cuz i always had fake name. i've always been in ATS. guardian luke and maxximus could tell you the same as well. i think in one day i was banned like 20 times. hehehe outcast would ban me on site if i put on my name. i would always talk to guardian luke and maxximus though. they were friends. later blademaster was a friend too and i trained him some in ats server.

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ps- I still go to ATS from time to time and talk to Outcast. I duel him, ff him and beat him really bad. We talk for a while. Then he bans me. I know him long time.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 5:37 am



The reason i joined ATS is coz Outcast said i was welcome to join ATS anytime after i left TS.

But did any of you SoL guys say that to me? no

so i joined ATS

Only that i found out a few days after when i was speaking to Danek he said i could join any time.
but by then it was to late.

Mayby if you guys would of offered first you would of got me.

not to mention i am a very good member of Democracy. I have very good idears for a clan.

I am Ex TS, Ex |KoD|, Ex Elite

In TS i was Ex 3rd Leader, Ex Council member

In Elite i was Ex 2nd Leader, Ex Council Leader

My Jk2 name is Avatar Aang.

Tiger is my disgise name.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 5:47 am

we dont lure away ppl from other clans. you may join whoever you want. if its ts or ats. its your choice. if you dont want to be sol its ok.
wehr can try to lure you, as he is no sol xD otherwise i would have said to him how unmoral it is.
and danek is evil as well. but... sol and outcast is a special thing. one of our tasks is to catch ppl that fell from grace from outcast. so he tells you we're here Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 5:54 am

Well i would of joind. But like i said no one welcomed me. Althogh most of my freinds are in SoL but i do not want to become a Rebel. maby there might come a day where i will become a rebel and join you.

Its good to know you Xasomur. It is a honour to meet you.

I would love to join but i dont want to become a rebel. i had enoph of that in my previos clan's
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 5:56 am

@xaso

I would lure the whole world from Outcast and that would be a good thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 6:01 am

i am honored that you think its an honor to meet me Surprised
anyway, i am honored to meet ppl that are brave enough to join ats and still openly say they have sol friends XD
usually when ppl join there, their never seen again.

anyway, i have to tell a little tail, as you call joining us a rebellion. but you have to know: the crush of ats and the following split is caused by the leaving of outcast. he faked that he would leave us, to see what happens. and when he tried to come back, we said no, we dont want another tyranny. we would have welcomed him to participate at the new ats democracy. but he rather went of to create a new ats. and all his arselickers went with him in their addiction to power and abuse.
so in fact, ats is the rebellion, and sol is the true heritage. ^^
u may ask why we renamed: ppl call reasons like new ways and so on. but in fact, we would never have changed the name, if we could have moved outcast to change the name to avoid confusion. but as he is the most stubborn person all over the whole wide word, we had no real choice Smile

but i can understand your feelings though. some of us had them as well Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 6:20 am

well if i am welcomed in this clan. then i will join this clan when it is time

And would be an honour Xasomur to meet you in Combat
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 6:56 am

Oh Avatar I know you now Very Happy

Nice to see another new ATS guy has common sense and doesn't blindly obey without question. Good on you sir. Remember - Make your own decisions - Do want you want to do - And don't let people oppress you or put you down.

It means a lot to us to come here and talk - Because we love to show ATS that we AREN'T liers, cheaters, fakers and 'pseudoclan' people which is what Outcast promotes.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 7:12 am

Thanks pilgrim. Outcast talks to me so much about. What i am soposed to pay attention to like Lamers and cheaters ect... well he talks about SoL eswell saying that you guys are cheaters and so on. I listen to him but i dont beilive it.

He is overreacting with this Cheater and lamer ect.. and SoL thing.

Well i dont beilive that you are all traitors and cheaters and lamers. Hes only saying all this coz you left him. Outcast is basically behaves the same like Cane Taros leader of TS. He also doues this when some one leaves his Clan.

I like you SoL guys. Im not like all ATS members i atleast like SoL. You guys left for a reason. i understand i dont it to enoph times. I dont Hate you guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 7:27 am

On the note of liars. Whoever told you guys that scripting was cheating is a liar. The game was programmed to script. Why do you think you can do /bind key "+moveup;wait 2;+moveup;-moveup". It's because it was programmed this way. I don't view scripting as cheating when the programmers made the game to script. People like Outcast started this crap because he was to dumb to figure out how to script. Outcast brainwashed a lot of people. Scripting is a skill. I don't like players that just get scripts from others but there used to be many players that worked on scripts all the time, testing etc.... It's to bad that is another lost art in jk2. Great players are great with and without scripts. Scripts do not define a player. There is a package that was put out by one of the programmers when jk2 1st came out. I think it was by marker777 or something like that. Had list of commands etc.. I don't like how SOL is under the pretense of no scripting. Then some SOL pretending not to script and defeating others in tournaments that don't. Some in SOL wonder why they lose. You guys should know some in SOL are scripting. I'm just saying. Get mad at me if you want but it is how things are.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 9:16 am

grimm does script. phantom does. who else?

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 9:31 am

Smile shit my history is catching up with me well yep ex head of council xD aang and I were the ones who tried to save TS purely because it was part of our whole jk2 history I guess you could call it it was one of the first clans I was in and whilst I disagreed with how it was being ran I wanted to help it sadly some people disagreed with me meaning my ideas where prevented from being pushed through (based around admin and abuse) so they wished to stay in their little world of admin abuse and begging for a higher rank ect so naturally I left I still sort of feel bad about it Taros isn't a terrible person he just has a tendency to argue with other clan leaders and be rather blunt about it xD, its a shame really he's still trying to fix the void caused by me and aang leaving. but yeah I was in dark just before that as well im not really sure why I left just wanted to have a fresh start I guess Razz. and there you have it a nugget of Ralen History xD
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 9:31 am

i started again this week. BUT i got my own rules about it, you can trust me for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 9:53 am

Tiger I agree with your perspective lots Smile

We don't say that no-one in the clan scripts or cheats. We say that we are a non-scripting clan.

We have over 50 members and to my knowledge only 2 have and use a KS on a regular basis - Phantom and Grimmjow. Grimmjow only has told us recently and Phantom has always used a kick script (which we regard as a light cheat - like a class C drug). Phantom won't pass her membership poll because she scripts, and she cannot be in any elections either because of this.

If Grimmjow scripts using the SoL tag then he also will be taken out of elections and he won't be allowed tournaments. Neutral

Anyway that is two out of 50 odd people. I've never even downloaded a KS or used it, I find it hinders your true potential.

Don't take my word for this it is just what I remember hearing - I haven't seen ErroronE in a long time, but last time I checked he was a two-faced un-exiled ATS coming back to Outcast because he realised Outcast needed people. Error lagged our server (we had an ip match) in the lag wars between the two ATS factions in January/Febuary. I was also under the impression he had and used a ks. So yea not every clan is perfect Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 9:55 am

Xaso, let me just say you guys should do your tourney in duelers mod and you might be very surprised at the results. Most people will never figure out how to script in duelers. I may be only one left that knows how. And the scripters in your clan know who they are. I'm not going to point them all out but will say xaso is not one of them.

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PS- I just don't think you guys should call scripters cheaters. If you want a clan that is scriptless, just say you are a scriptless clan. Don't label scripters cheaters when we just play the game how it is programmed. I think it is far worse to say you don't script and lie to your mates.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 10:52 am

lol... how its programmed xD its programmed to press space twice to kick. YOU programme, that it makes a kick by pressing one key. lol and that is a cheat. a cheat called script. just like its possible to program a bot....
you know you should argue about this Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 11:35 am

Xaso, lol. I guess it is just magic that makes those commands work with no programming behind them. You think without programming you could put in multiple commands and it would just work without errors. Yea jk2 is magic program. It does all kinds of commands that no one ever coded into the software. That's like saying the world is flat and the heavens rotate around the earth. The programmers designed an open ended game that people could experiment with and design, test, execute ideas. Not one that is confined to the original and default setups. Why do you think we can use different maps, skins, etc... They didn't program all those things either Xaso. So I guess those are cheats too. They were not programmed in defaults. To what you said above it would be wrong to change your default jump button too. Mine is on mouse2, not spacebar. Your logic is faulty. You are so brainwashed. Next time I'll just laugh when you lose to a scripter. I'm honest. I can't say that about all your friends. Live in denial. You'll be happier.


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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 1:04 pm

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The programmers designed an open ended game that people could experiment with and design, test, execute ideas. Not one that is confined to the original and default setups.

I cldn't agree with this more. If we expand this we can easily say (with sufficent substantiation) that they left the game open to interpretation. Thus people may consider one thing 'playing' the game whilst others consider it as as 'ruining' the game. You can't argue with a reality that is perspective Wehr, as it will always be subjective.

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 2:03 pm

Ok, if we agree they left it open for interpretation why do you call scripters cheaters? Are you saying that your interpretation is the correct interpretation of jk2 and other people's interpretation is not correct? I'm saying don't be judgemental of others because they have different ideas of what jk2 is and should be. It's being megalomaniacal to think that everyone should conform to one variant/interpretation of jk2. I would also say the creators gave us scripts, by this I mean the ability to script. We didn't hack them. So if someone was born to read minds you would hinder them because they have abilities that were not innate to yourself? So was it ok to round up the jews during WWII becuase they had different religion/race and kill them off? So it's ok to discriminate against scripters because they have diff interpretation of a game?
There are several SOL scripting, not just 2. I try to tell you guys a way to make sure Tourneys are fair and you should listen.


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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 2:18 pm

lol wehr. you call me brainwashed. lol. i am not the one who leaves my morals from my real life behind only to be good in a game and then i try everything there to keep my comfort unaffected.

i mean there a springs, and there are shoes. so we could build a shoe with springs at the sole. cool its possible. so why dont we dont go to the next competition and jump higher than everyone else...
ah yes let me tell you: because its not you jumping. and because the competition is gone. and because everyone would have to get such springs'n'shoes and then it is senseless to have them, you could just jump normal again. because everything thats left then is the unfair advantage. and yes... thats what the competition is designed for. find the backdoor to trick the game and the other competitors.

you dont need to call it a rule break. i mean, i can build a gun, i can fire it, i can aim... so where is the problem. you really dont have to call it a rule break. but know: i can fire for my food. or i can fire for my rage or greed. you gotta know what you wanna do.

sol is open for those who know to divide the necessity from the unnecessity, those who understand and respect rules and not for those who misinterpretate on purpose and bend them for their own comfort

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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 3:41 pm

Ah, germans were blinded by hitler too. I see they have not changed much. You just can't handle the truth kid. The game was made to script. There are scripters in SOL. So just dream a utopic dream. Ajunta just admitted it in a post he's been scripting again and I didn't even bring this up cuz of him, or the 2 you mentioned. There are others.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 7:13 pm

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Ah, germans were blinded by hitler too. I see they have not changed much. You just can't handle the truth kid. The game was made to script. There are scripters in SOL. So just dream a utopic dream. Ajunta just admitted it in a post he's been scripting again and I didn't even bring this up cuz of him, or the 2 you mentioned. There are others.

ouch slight dig with the whole german thing there xD

As has already been said yes the game is very much open ended and designed for you to freely to what ever the hell you want but surely SoL is around more as a optional choice to play where scripting doesn't happen,however wehr is right to say out right that peoples "alternative" ways of play are wrong is a bit over the top, as even stuff such as grip kick was not "intended" to be in the game but yet overtime even that's become a norm yet some how accepted when in theory that's just as cheap a method of killing as any other, so I will agree with both but say however to say all scripters are horrible people and that they are wrong is a bit to much,heck there was one a few days ago who saw someone consistently lamming me whilst I was busy so he jumped in and protected me whilst I taught Girin some basics. so just say instead that we are a clan that prides its self on not requiring scripts or using them but is by no means ANTI Scripts as "equality" would involved respecting the alternative ways of playing as most of the the things this clan views as "skills" also weren't intended to be in the game either.
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PostSubject: Re: Tiger's Hello + Wehr's point.   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 7:20 pm

well i dont have a go at people for scripting. if they script then they script. its there own personal choice.

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