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PostSubject: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 6:30 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:19 am

No offense, but i dont think that the nazis are gonna get back in the power of a country.

If that happens, usa england, and all the capitalists countries are gonna invade that country..
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:49 am

*face palm*
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 8:12 am

No offence but I think this might be offensive to some easily offenced people so I hope I didnt offence you by giving you offensive karma. No offence.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 8:28 am

i cant see the video anyway, cuz i live in germany :/

Btw, i see croco gettin -3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 karma :S why ?
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 9:22 am

Battledroidlover wrote:
No offence but I think this might be offensive to some easily offenced people so I hope I didnt offence you by giving you offensive karma. No offence.

Hitler can be offensive, nazi not, nazi is a politic party.. so the people shouldnt get offenced with that
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 10:21 am

sebbat wrote:
Battledroidlover wrote:
No offence but I think this might be offensive to some easily offenced people so I hope I didnt offence you by giving you offensive karma. No offence.

Hitler can be offensive, nazi not, nazi is a politic party.. so the people shouldnt get offenced with that

true but a lot of their views can be viewed as offensive,but then again anything anyone says could be offensive so meh
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 10:26 am

lol... ppl should get offended by nazism, because its connected with a intolerance towards other ppls. the whole world should be offended by it.
and ppl open your eyes: in many countries of the world nazis are governing... italy says hello...

and it has nothing to do with capitalism or not. the usa used to support nazis to turn down socialists. they rather liked a murderer who loved hitler (pinochet) than a socialist president who was voted legitime by the ppl of chile (allende)...
and yes: nazis can be good capitalists. sounds funny, but being nazi is not as much about a economic system as about a glorification of the own nation with a disgrace towards other ppl. nazism can only exist by hating something. thats all...

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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 10:36 am

Actually I posted this video to give you guys a look how the neo nazis look like, not to offend but if some of you finds this extremely personal dont watch then. first off; there are more nazis in usa and russia than it is in europe. in russia, its more nazis than communists so its one of the biggest failures that they put down soviet and all the criminality returned and russia became corrupted. same shit with usa; communism and socialism is hated and is feared by everyone, but u are allowed to create nazi parties and white power gangs. if u take a look at the south states of usa, it was the place where ku klux klan was born and spread world wide. i see its better to be a communist than a nazi with a extermination in mind to ensure the future for the white people.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:19 pm

yeah i think that s a good point, especially when you are not even white, it s even better being a socialist than a nazi.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:59 pm

usa does unfortunately have history of aligning itself with nasty dictators. as long as they know their limitations we love them. then we have problems when they get outta line, like taking over other countries (e.g. Saddam), and they turn into the devil. but lets face it, usa pretty much was alone in the world defending democracy. we took any allies we could. we still provide defense at great expense for many countries that should be providing it themselves. i personally wish we would close bases in europe, south korea and japan. we can't afford it any longer and if the countries involved don't value democracy by now, by providing their own defenses, they never will. plus we could use the economic stimulus a base provides to a local community at home vs. in a foreign country. better to close a foreign base then a domestic one.

socialism is disliked, if not hated, in usa. we equate socialism almost with communism. part of the reason the democrats just got their ass handed to them in the elections was the socialist policies they have pushed through the congress. even though the vast majority of the public was against it. obama is done. he's just a lame duck president now. most people can't wait til next election to get rid of him. usa is very pro capitalism and free market system. a lot of my friends are calling him a stupid n word now. even my liberal friends don't like him anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 8:51 pm

I get what you mean about closing up bases and opening them up back home and stuff,but such a small thing wouldn't be big enough to put the economy back on track,as for communism and socialism its been drilled into your head that its a terrible idea mainly by the people at the top of businesses because following either type of politics would prevent them from making as much as they do.quite simply most people hate capitalism just as much as they hate any other form of system after all its often seen as the rich staying rich and exploiting the poor im by no means a marxist haha but I can certainly understand that view to some degree but I can also understand why if you work hard to earn a living you don't wanna have to support and help out anyone else or have the "state" toying with your money but quite frankly good luck getting out of this little pit we are all in without someone intervening.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 11:30 pm

well barack obama aint a communist and people is calling his idealism obamunism because he wanted free ensurance for everyone, they dont have to die if they cant afford to go to the hospital and get treated. but since usa is WAY different compared with europe its economy and ensurances is also different. lets say your boss, the one who gave u this work is the one who is resposnable for signing and fixing your ensurance if something badly would happen like a accident or something like that. if you get hit by a bus, car, train what ever and manages survive but you are so badly injured that u would die in any moment if you're not getting a medical treat from the hospital nearby and now heres the ensurances part is comming in. if your ensurances dont cover the price/bill for the operation, they have no other choice but letting you die which is unhuman isn't it? tbh; in usa it seems like the money is ruling everything, but what about keeping the stance of the mankind? aren't a human soul more worth than a piece of papers?

now lets talk about europe and their ensurances.

your ensurances are not signed on via your boss, u do that urself at a ensurances company where they provide all kind of ensurances such as; car,house,animals,jewelery,childern/family and more. now lets say you getting hit by a car and your innner organs are very injured and you will die in short if you are not getting a medical treat by a hospital nearby. and in europe you will get treated first and when you are healthy and free to go, then they will talk about the bills and ensurances. in europe; money is just something to keep the economy and life running smooth, but we do not forget what we are, a human soul cant be bought by money or valauble.

@ wehr

im not accusing you for something. it seems like alot of your people in usa is hating the president because he wants to change the system and give alot of people ensurances. now people have filled so many with heads with bullshit about barack obama. and i mean; what is the problem with them? they dont know what real communism means.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Sun 14 Nov 2010, 11:55 pm

the problem with the usa is, that the conservatives have the control over the media. the us media is such a good propaganda, you can easily compare it the the nazi propaganda of 1933-1945, by its methods and by its extend.
the great love to the own country and the hate towards changes and the blind beliefs are results of the propaganda.
i dont want to make down the good actions usa made in history. but they were few. and things you would call a saving of democracy is in fact just a economic interest. fact is: it was good that they turned down germany in ww2. but you can see: they entered the war when you could see germany was overextending and started to loose against soviets and lost territory to them. they couldnt leave europe to the soviets. you can see it, that after germany capitulated the usa traded parts of their captured territory to the soviets only to get a part of berlin, to make the things more complicated for the soviets.
or just to recall 1973: they ended a democracy (because it was marxist) in favor of a dictatorship (because the economic interest in chile's copper)
no need to talk about afghanistan...

i know us ppl dont wanna hear it. but their country has alot in common with nazis now...

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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 12:05 am

The guy who dekarmarized boogieman is a mor 0n, He wasn't promoting Nazi's,he was warning


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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 6:19 am

Xaso, much of what you say is so wrong. Both on history and the majority of our current television's programming bias in the USA. You need to read more about the Lend Lease Act of 1941. We sent a great deal of war material to Russia during WWII. Without our aid Russia may not have survived. We sent a great deal in aid to the UK as well. Our leaders in WWII, if you read into it, took their time in opening a 2nd front in europe mostly because they knew it would save american lives. This is also why we let the soviets take Berlin. Read Eisenhower's autobiography. Our air domination is what totally devastated Germany. We bombed the shit out of Germany. You should go back thru the war photos of German cities. They looked like the moon when our bombers got done with them. USA's air power left german manufacturing in ruins, not Russian. Germany is lucky the war ended when it did. The US would have nuked Germany if the war in Europe had lasted longer. As to media in the US, it definitely has a liberal bias, not conservative. The only news network that is more conservative is Fox News. Thanks Ruppert Murdoch!!!! Xaso, your english is getting better. You should start watching CNN and Fox News in english. You sound like you're spouting typical stuff you read/watch in german media concerning the USA.

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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 6:32 am

Im not intrested in getting into a debate.

I think it wise if people refrain from posting anything that can be considered offensive whether it be for innocent lighthearted humor or anything else. Sometimes i think people can be very uptight when it comes to tolerating stuff like this (one of my own mates went out on fancy dress as adolf hitler and that doesnt bother me whatsoever) and people often jump on oppertunities to have a go at other people because they "pretend" to be offended in order to get attention. Many people exploit stuff like that and can accuse other people of racism ect ect when they are the ones fueling the hatred themselves.

Anyways, videos like this dont bother me (its hardly offensive, ive frequently seen worse on british television comedies) but if order to avoid arguement and pointless debate i think its best we dont post stuff of this nature. People from all over the world use this forum and you never know who u may offend. Sorry boogieman i know u dont mean harm mate. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 6:46 am

ok, now i say something about healthcare in the USA as it is now. if you go to a hospital they don't refuse treatment. you will be treated. the problem lies in how it effects you financially post treatment. those without insurance could possibly be economically devastated. but even then there are ways around it. many simply file bankruptcy to esacpe their bills. it's not like hospitals just let people die here. now with more advanced treaments for cancer this may not be the case. but in comparison with wait times and levels of advanced care available in many european countries many american prefer our system vs. yours. we hear horror stories about the canadian and english healthcare systems, and we don't want it like that here. it's not just from the media either. we are right next door to canada in michigan and we hear it first hand from people. obama could have done very positive things for our system instead of trying to completely overhaul it in a socialist manner. for example, we pay way higher prices for prescription drugs in usa. it is primarily because the pharmaceutical industry has a powerful lobby. the govt. could have passed laws so that americans would not pay more then any european/canadians do for same drugs. if obama had paassed legislation just attacking this issue he would be a heor. but no, he had to mess with the whole system. another big problem we have in usa is form standardization, so that all insurance companies use same forms, and records being forced to be electronic, vs. paper.

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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 6:53 am

Actually ive changed my mind. This isnt offensive whatsoever and there is no problem posting it. Now i think about it ive seen worse things broadcast on daytime television. For god sake the UK comedy "allo allo" was a daytime comedy show in the 80's (i think) that was basically a piss-take of germany during the war (not nazis though). Crack on boogieman u havent done anything wrong.

This is lighthearted humor which is still broadcast and repeated today during british daytime television.



Another example. Father ted. This was shown after the watershed (after 9pm) because i did include bad language, however this was a british comedy broadcast which is about 3 catholic priests and thier housekeeper. This if this was broadcast on television and received wide popularity then if cant be deemed offensive. (unless your bold enough to call a large portion of the british public, television producers and indeed the government themselves guilty of being racist.)



The only people who could take offence from this are people who "wanted" to take offence (which makes them more racist in my eyes).
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 6:59 am

Exactly what i mean't offence can only be offensive if you take it in an offensive manner so to speak,get over it,everyone is different your welcome to debate it longer guys but none of you will ever 100% agree with the other so meh
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 7:01 am

Agreed ralen. As far as im concerned if i can turn on my television and view the kind of material thats in the videos ive posted, then boogiemans videos are perfectly fine. I think anybody wanting to kick up a fuss about them is looking to add fuel to the fire and wanting to cause trouble.

Verdict = not offensive

Even better example



Popular british television...


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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 7:07 am

The majority of media in the USA has a liberal bias by USA standards, with the exception of Fox News, which is run by the Republican Party. However, from a European perspective, USA liberals are actually moderate, and USA conservatives are ultra-conservative. With that in mind, I can see why Xaso would say that the news in the U.S. is conservative.

Xaso is indeed wrong about USA having a lot in common with Nazis. In fact, there is perhaps a majority of Americans who view USA with cynicism. It is socially acceptable to mock the actions of USA both in the country and outside of it, and there is a sense among most Americans that our country is "doing something wrong," even if they're not sure what it is. If foreign television is portraying USA as self-glorifying and highly nationalist, it is inaccurate and perhaps focusing only on a specific type of American. In general, conservatives are known for being very proud of their country, and liberals are known for believing that there is something wrong with it. As you can tell by the elections over the years, it's basically a 50/50 split.

As for Wehr's comments about socialism and Obama, I'll have to disagree. If you listen to Fox News or conservative radio talk shows, they painted a picture of Americans having great distaste for Obama and not supporting legislation passed by Democrats. In reality, as it always is, conservatives opposed the measures and liberals supported them. Again, a 50/50 split.

Obama's approval ratings are down mostly because he has not done <em>more</em> of what he had set out to do, and liberals are disappointed. He hasn't shut down Guantanamo, the health care bill should have been more socialist, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is just beginning to be struck down (but not by Obama); the slow speed of progress in the wake of such a hope-inspiring campaign has left many liberals disillusioned, and so Obama's approval rating has gone down and they did not go out to vote. Those who follow politics a little more closely know that the majority of the lack of progress is due to the very strong Republican efforts in Congress to fight legislation supported by the Democrats over the past 2 years, which is how Congress always works regardless of who's in power.

It was foolish of liberals to believe that so much could get done in so short a time period, or that the extent to which the legislation would be liberal would be so high. For example, the healthcare bill's final version was moderate according to reputable sources such as <em>The Economist</em>, even though if you listen to Fox News, it will seem like it was a liberal, socialist monstrosity that Americans hate. Again, in reality, conservatives hate it because it has the word socialism attached to it, and liberals like it because they support certain socialist ideas, even if they don't know that the word for those ideas is "socialism."

The biggest problem I have with American politics today is that everyone exaggerates everything. The average American is busy, and doesn't get highly involved with the intricacies of politics because Americans just don't have the time. To rally support for themselves, the Democrats and Republicans sensationalize everything to get people to care. When Americans actually sit down and have a respectful conversation about political issues - conversations in which listening actually occurs and consideration of the opposing view actually occurs - Americans usually find that they have much more to agree on than the sensationalist news would imply.

As a result of the terrible quality of the majority of American news, the only two news stations I've found that seem to qualify as "good journalism" are NPR and BBC. There's something wrong when I as an American have to rely on England for a large portion of my own news.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 7:12 am

BBC?

Not british broadcasting company is it..?

EDIT: ah its is yes, sorry i should have read further. Yes BBC is good for news. Lots of censorship and discretion, but always good hard fact.
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 7:14 am

I hate Illinois Nazis. Razz

Seriously, I think that Russia WAS more ivnvested in the war than us. They lots far more troops. Stalingrad, anyone? The U.S. even intended to stay out completely, following George Washingtons words of caution, but the Japanase just HAD to go and attack Pearl Harbor. We had practically no civilian casualties. I'm not saying that we played no part, we were the tipping point, figurativelly speaking, but the loss of the Russians or the British would have been far more devestating to the Allies. France, you got taken anyway. Razz And addressing healthcare, if the bulk of the bill had not been cut out as to allow it to pass, it might have actually done something. Can you honestly stand up and say that not allowing people to be turned down on account of "pre-existing conditions" is a good thing. Kepp in mind, guys, that we don't need to get riled up. We can express our views calmly, knowing that you PROBABLY won't convinve the other person otherwise.

Nick, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I know it sounds populist, but the concept of the "Silent Majority" is actually quite valid. Most of the people in the news are on either extreme. One main flaw in our system is the filibuster. Its prevents anyone from getting anything done. Keep in mind that this is not the first president who hasn't done EVERYTHING right away that they promised. I mean, all the way up from Student Council President, people have been promising things like "mOre Recess" and invalid things of that sort. NPR! Fresh Air and Wait Wait Don't Tell Me FTW!
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PostSubject: Re: The Neo nazis is back   Mon 15 Nov 2010, 7:29 am

I hear you, Kira. Personally I have been happy with most of Obama's choices and performance. There is no denying that he is one of the most intellectual Presidents we've had in recent history, and he always puts into words exactly the types of things I would want to say on a given issue. In my opinion he's quite moderate in his approach to many issues, and I think that's a good thing in a President. He has taken some commendable stances on certain unpopular things, such as holding Israel at least partially responsible for its many flaws and atrocities, which is more than any other President (or most American citizens for that matter) can say.

But at the same time, there are certain moral obligations that an intellectual should fulfill quickly with the kind of power he wields, and in this case some of them are not too difficult to change. Guantanamo is the most obvious example that comes to mind.

I'm vastly confident in Obama's decision-making, but he does take things rather slowly. Perhaps good decision making and fast decisions are mutually exclusive; if that's the case, I'd prefer slow.
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