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PostSubject: No hope for someone like HIM   Tue 11 Jan 2011, 9:54 am

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Guys i want talk you about something that is related to Outcast. Today i went to his server because i want to talk with him (and i am not going to lie, also to bother him a little but in the end i didn´t do it). Well first he wasen´t there, but DarkKyle and whisky were there (they treat me very good Smile and i already know there are good persons). I put my SoL tag and when outcast appears he told me (Sorry but all the dialogs i translate has not the exactly words but the meaning is there) "What are you doing here? don´t play with me, you know you can´t use that tag", then he started kicking me...so i started to fight with him in an 15 minutes duel. He healed all the times, it was like i would have hit him 80 times and he 25 or 30 in total because he healed. But in the end he killed me (if you want to call me a pro go ahead, i don´t care i just want to talk with him). After that single duel he kicked me from server, so i came back. He started calling me an inexperienced and I told him "You know who i am Outcast, don´t call me like that" (I can´t believe once i was a friend of him Neutral). Then he said " i don´t want people like you that insult and spawn and just bother the others" (but that wasn´t true, i didn´t bother anyone or insult...only is right when he said i used the tag). So he told me to leave if i didn´t want more problems and i told him "no matter what you do, i won t be stop being a SoL...i like my clan and if you have to ban me for being one of them then go ahead". Just then, a player called "dueler" (maybe he was darkkyle or one of the people there that rename) speak to outcast so i can stay in the server (good actitude from him but i told him that he hadn´t have to worry about me, i didn´t worth it). So then Outcast kicked me again from the server and when i came back i said "I just want to tell you something before i go...". Banned.
Outcast won´t going to change never, he´s problem is that he doesn´t want to hear anything from us so he just let the problem between us exits. If he wants a chance to be a friend of us, i would give him a second chance but he is just being a big headed right now :/
What i was going to told him at the end was "I just want to tell you something before i go...I hope you stop ignore everyone and start to heard the opinions from all, cya ya and have a good life Smile" but he couldn´t read all :/

Finally, say to not wear a tag from another clan or I be banned it´s like being racist. For example if I (i am from argentina) go to Chile, and the people there tell me that i will die if I say that i am proud of being from argentina or just for say that i am from argentina...that would be racist. (the example from chile isn´t real, it´s a example of what COULD be racist)

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:34 am

i tryd that 2 one day...i joined and revealed m name otherr ATS where like :O HI XEMNAS Very Happy johnny Darkkyle and others are realy good friends to me....so there is light in this corrupted clan...well he saw me and reacted very chilled....then he started to sleep me and kicking me arround ( nice game called kicked Xemnas's sleeped ass ) i wanted a duel from him ( i cant believe that u even made it that he duelled you Light XD ) well he DIDNT banned me xD lol i kno strange^^ but SOMEHOW he figgured out that i got 2 forum accounts there xD

TRY logg in as : Darkwarrior Pw:DarkATS and look at the bann text how did he figgured out that its me? i didnt even POSTED anything xD

And why didnt he banned me from server? i know that he didnt got my IP ( he had much to do with me and had no time for using any commands xD )
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:48 am

in o.o banning was very temporary for disruption of server. if you were banned it was just for a day maxx.. banning was against our gaming philosophy. i barely used admin and didn't really know how to use it, lol. we were pretty much against use of admin. sometimes in sol i wish people would refrain from their use of admin. i can't say how many 100s of time i've been sniped cuz some idiot had term. worst is i would never be given term when others had it. why do you guys give term to individual players that ask to use it. w t f you think they going to do with it???? if you do give term plz give to all otherwise these idiots use it for laming. when sol 1st started peg was in it. every chance that kid got on any server he would get term and lame me. he lamed shit out of me in beginning of sol with term. i didn't say anything then cuz i'm not much of a crier but sol's use of term suk ks.

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:53 am

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looks like sol admins are not thinking like u do nick, they dont care when they dont get abused, but when they start getting abused, they shed tears LOL
if abuse is standing up for our morals and caring for the benefit of other players, then we abuse, but it would mean outcast is no abuser...
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:01 am

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looks like sol admins are not thinking like u do nick, they dont care when they dont get abused, but when they start getting abused, they shed tears LOL
if abuse is standing up for our morals and caring for the benefit of other players, then we abuse, but it would mean outcast is no abuser...
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every admin users are abusers. admin should only have kick and ban, have u already seen a no laming rule in another game than this one? its only a pro fan of star wars that wanted to waste his time chatting in game that invented that N00B rule, look other ffa, tffa games, like counter strike, call of duty, etc. no shitty laming rule, look at star wars battlefront 2, theres no shit rule like that, just ffa, thats it.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:04 am

ohhhh... then why dont u lame in hangar?
sorry dude, you just try to be an asshole. congratz you succeeded.
if you wanna play go play another SERVER then, no one forces you to play here.
some ppl play texas hold'em, some play draw, some play stud... only because hold'em is most popular doesnt mean the others aint poker... so shut up, you dont have to PLAY it

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:21 am

nastY wrote:
every admin users are abusers. admin should only have kick and ban, have u already seen a no laming rule in another game than this one? its only a pro fan of star wars that wanted to waste his time chatting in game that invented that N00B rule, look other ffa, tffa games, like counter strike, call of duty, etc. no shitty laming rule, look at star wars battlefront 2, theres no shit rule like that, just ffa, thats it.

what you think, taht we'll change our rules cuz you don't like them ? All i need to say is that this server is active, and that jk2 developpers didn't make any rule for servers, but just rules for game types. Every server is its owner's home, so he makes the rules of his server. Here this server belong to sol, mainly to the people who pay for it, so they decide what are the rules, and invente rules if they want. All you have to be aware of is what are those rules, and respect them. Don't whine when you get admined if you don't respect those rules. I think i'll bind that lol.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:38 am

Ajunta Pall wrote:
nastY wrote:
every admin users are abusers. admin should only have kick and ban, have u already seen a no laming rule in another game than this one? its only a pro fan of star wars that wanted to waste his time chatting in game that invented that N00B rule, look other ffa, tffa games, like counter strike, call of duty, etc. no shitty laming rule, look at star wars battlefront 2, theres no shit rule like that, just ffa, thats it.

what you think, taht we'll change our rules cuz you don't like them ? All i need to say is that this server is active, and that jk2 developpers didn't make any rule for servers, but just rules for game types. Every server is its owner's home, so he makes the rules of his server. Here this server belong to sol, mainly to the people who pay for it, so they decide what are the rules, and invente rules if they want. All you have to be aware of is what are those rules, and respect them. Don't whine when you get admined if you don't respect those rules. I think i'll bind that lol.
goddamn im starting to hate this guy, can any1 tell him to shut up plz? im trying to talk to real admins (like nick or whoever at his admin lvl). aju u talk to much, plz keep quiet a bit, ur acting like ur the smartest guy in the world, just shut up and let me talk to guys with a real GUY name, give me a hug now andrea.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:46 am

I respect you in my talk, do same. Here you rage, i can understand 2 things : either you don't care what i say, either you rage cuz you have nothing to say : in both cases, don't expect sol cooperation. I don't say anything different from admins. Maybe i'm not one, but i still know you and sol rules.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:58 am

ok guys forget all what i said. Nasty go on ...
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 4:14 pm

nastY wrote:
every admin users are abusers. admin should only have kick and ban, have u already seen a no laming rule in another game than this one? its only a pro fan of star wars that wanted to waste his time chatting in game that invented that N00B rule, look other ffa, tffa games, like counter strike, call of duty, etc. no shitty laming rule, look at star wars battlefront 2, theres no shit rule like that, just ffa, thats it.

Well i play COD online, it would be impossible to create the kind of community within COD that we have in JK2. Sure there are clans in COD, and yeah they talk and socialise ect...but you are right, they dont have any playing rules with regards to actual gaming. I can understand where you coming from, if i played JK2 like i play COD, i would one massive lamer.

Although, there are huge differences between the games. Firstly COD has intermissions usually every 10 or so minutes (depending on the game), were players can respite. JK2 doesnt have that, the server just runs indifinatley or until a kill limit is reached. So despite everything your saying is against SoL's server rules and code of gaming ettiquette, I do at least understand your point. Ive never played any online game where rules are enforced to the degree JK2 servers have.

Though there are reasons for that. JK2 is quite a unique game. And over the years it has changed. I bet when JK2 first came out, there were no rules, no regulations, no ettiquette, i bet everybody just ran around in ffa trying to kill everybody else. Thats fair enough.

But here is the point. JK2 has (Key word) "EVOLVED". It has created community and friendship, i would even go as far to say it has created a fictional society. We have forums, we have tournements, we have hierachy and ranks (refering to admin and flames). We have masters/padawans, we have training, dueling and practicing. We have team spirit, enthusiasm, brotherhood and encouragement for others. We have a laugh and good time, we have roleplays and mess around with other stuff. This game has been taken to whole new level. You might not like that level, but we do Wink

In short, this game has developed far beyond the realms of just "gaming". It has become a way of life. JK2 very much embodies real life scenarios, challenges and events, within a gaming environment, and to most of us, thats what makes this game so special.

I would like to think this is how Lucas intended Star Wars games to be. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 4:37 pm

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nastY wrote:
every admin users are abusers. admin should only have kick and ban, have u already seen a no laming rule in another game than this one? its only a pro fan of star wars that wanted to waste his time chatting in game that invented that N00B rule, look other ffa, tffa games, like counter strike, call of duty, etc. no shitty laming rule, look at star wars battlefront 2, theres no shit rule like that, just ffa, thats it.

Well i play COD online, it would be impossible to create the kind of community within COD that we have in JK2. Sure there are clans in COD, and yeah they talk and socialise ect...but you are right, they dont have any playing rules with regards to actual gaming. I can understand where you coming from, if i played JK2 like i play COD, i would one massive lamer.

Although, there are huge differences between the games. Firstly COD has intermissions usually every 10 or so minutes (depending on the game), were players can respite. JK2 doesnt have that, the server just runs indifinatley or until a kill limit is reached. So despite everything your saying is against SoL's server rules and code of gaming ettiquette, I do at least understand your point. Ive never played any online game where rules are enforced to the degree JK2 servers have.

Though there are reasons for that. JK2 is quite a unique game. And over the years it has changed. I bet when JK2 first came out, there were no rules, no regulations, no ettiquette, i bet everybody just ran around in ffa trying to kill everybody else. Thats fair enough.

But here is the point. JK2 has (Key word) "EVOLVED". It has created community and friendship, i would even go as far to say it has created a fictional society. We have forums, we have tournements, we have hierachy and ranks (refering to admin and flames). We have masters/padawans, we have training, dueling and practicing. We have team spirit, enthusiasm, brotherhood and encouragement for others. We have a laugh and good time, we have roleplays and mess around with other stuff. This game has been taken to whole new level. You might not like that level, but we do Wink

In short, this game has developed far beyond the realms of just "gaming". It has become a way of life. JK2 very much embodies real life scenarios, challenges and events, within a gaming environment, and to most of us, thats what makes this game so special.

I would like to think this is how Lucas intended Star Wars games to be. Smile

u dont worth wasting my time reading that whole text, sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 4:40 pm

Lazy git Wink
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 4:45 pm

In CS:S, you are a counter-terrorist or a terrorist whose objective is specifically to succeed in your objective, which involves defeating the opposition quickly. In JK2, you are a Jedi. Jedi are not simply warriors, far from it. Jedi are often peacekeepers, envoys, bodyguards, diplomats, arbitrators, etc. JK2 was destined to develop servers that enforce rules that emulate these aspects of Jedi from the movies, because there are very few games where you get to be a convincing Jedi with other people, and players want to experience that dream to the fullest.

You want to kill things, go play a war game. Here you are playing Jedi Knight, where most of the characters are expected to fight only when necessary. Servers having this atmosphere are obviously natural given the precedent set by the Star Wars universe. If you can't see that, you're not a Star Wars fan, so why you are playing a 9 year old Star Wars game is beyond my comprehension.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 4:50 pm

And Nick delivers the final hammer blow Smile
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 5:14 pm

nice how my post was ignored...... ppl can write/read a 1 pg. manifesto but my paragraph died an instant death.

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 6:35 pm

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In CS:S, you are a counter-terrorist or a terrorist whose objective is specifically to succeed in your objective, which involves defeating the opposition quickly. In JK2, you are a Jedi. Jedi are not simply warriors, far from it. Jedi are often peacekeepers, envoys, bodyguards, diplomats, arbitrators, etc. JK2 was destined to develop servers that enforce rules that emulate these aspects of Jedi from the movies, because there are very few games where you get to be a convincing Jedi with other people, and players want to experience that dream to the fullest.

You want to kill things, go play a war game. Here you are playing Jedi Knight, where most of the characters are expected to fight only when necessary. Servers having this atmosphere are obviously natural given the precedent set by the Star Wars universe. If you can't see that, you're not a Star Wars fan, so why you are playing a 9 year old Star Wars game is beyond my comprehension.

WRONG

JK2 is a game about Jedi and Sith and DarkJediz. Not just Jedi. =]

And the Jedi don't protect there homeland with some godly powers, they protect themselves by fighting the enemy and such (with there skill and knowledge).

However in SOL it seems the peacekeeping Jedi lose everytime when they try to fight there enemy, so now somehow they have these godly powers under there command which can only be terminated by godly hax.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:16 pm

your fundamental mistake is, that when we fight you we fight you and its the game.
if we need to ban you it is not part of the game. we're not banning you because we play a role or play the game... we ban you because you break the rules of the game we run on our server.
and its US who makes the rules on OUR server and not YOU guys...

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 2:07 am

Nightmare...
The Jedi are not using their powers to protect only themselfes...they protect the ppl who are in need of help and their homeland 2...if a Jedi could save another person by dieng...he would die..
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 6:44 am

The only thing we can do to counter Outcast is just to be better than him. Both morally and rationally, in game and out of it. If Outcast hasn't noticed it yet a significant amount of his members leave his clan after experiance of his totalitarian hierarchy, the only ones who stay are the ignorant power-hungerers or the ones who are too inactive to notice, or rare good hearted members such as Dark Kyle here - Dark Kyle thanks for posting here and I agree with you. Smile

Like Nick I strongly agree. We will come down like a ton of bricks on those who will lame, insult, hack on Outcast's server. It's not our way.


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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 7:26 am

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In CS:S, you are a counter-terrorist or a terrorist whose objective is specifically to succeed in your objective, which involves defeating the opposition quickly. In JK2, you are a Jedi. Jedi are not simply warriors, far from it. Jedi are often peacekeepers, envoys, bodyguards, diplomats, arbitrators, etc. JK2 was destined to develop servers that enforce rules that emulate these aspects of Jedi from the movies, because there are very few games where you get to be a convincing Jedi with other people, and players want to experience that dream to the fullest.

You want to kill things, go play a war game. Here you are playing Jedi Knight, where most of the characters are expected to fight only when necessary. Servers having this atmosphere are obviously natural given the precedent set by the Star Wars universe. If you can't see that, you're not a Star Wars fan, so why you are playing a 9 year old Star Wars game is beyond my comprehension.
in jk2 im not a jedi, im a sith (lamer). In star wars battlefront 2, u can be a jedi too, and ive never seen a no laming rule in that game, even if ur a jedi, we just kill, thats it.
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 8:17 am

Well fooking hell you have just answered your own problem! Go play that game then!
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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 9:55 am

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your fundamental mistake is, that when we fight you we fight you and its the game.
if we need to ban you it is not part of the game. we're not banning you because we play a role or play the game... we ban you because you break the rules of the game we run on our server.
and its US who makes the rules on OUR server and not YOU guys...

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 9:57 am


@xaso

cmon xaso, that sig is getting annoying. ban ppl from forum for to long sigs, o m f g.



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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 10:09 am

i will leave it on until next weak, until EVERYONE is fed up of those long sigs...
glad to see it works

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PostSubject: Re: No hope for someone like HIM   Thu 13 Jan 2011, 12:10 pm

Nightmare_I wrote:
JK2 is a game about Jedi and Sith and DarkJediz. Not just Jedi. =]
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And the Jedi don't protect there homeland with some godly powers, they protect themselves by fighting the enemy
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in jk2 im not a jedi, im a sith (lamer). In star wars battlefront 2, u can be a jedi too, and ive never seen a no laming rule in that game, even if ur a jedi, we just kill, thats it.
If you're going to advocate for laming based on the premise that JK2 is Jedi vs. Dark Jedi, the obvious first problem you will have to explain is the fact that everyone is fighting everyone else, and they can be any Force alignment. That obviously doesn't happen in the movies. There IS a setting for Force-aligned teams, and that would be more similar to the movies. Even FURTHERMORE, there is a PLACE IN THE MAIN MENU FOR MODS! Mods were intended by the developers to leave the potential for gameplay open-ended, allowing server administrators to create environments as they see fit. In our server, the environment we have chosen is a primarily peaceful, respectful one, where people may engage in fighting only when their opponents are willing to engage in fighting as well. It is similar to the Jedi Temple in the movies, where training occurs. This is why I said:

NickdeClaw wrote:
JK2 was destined to develop servers that enforce rules that emulate these aspects of Jedi from the movies, because there are very few games where you get to be a convincing Jedi with other people, and players want to experience that dream to the fullest.
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Here you are playing Jedi Knight, where <strong>MOST</strong> of the characters are expected to fight only when necessary. Servers having this atmosphere are obviously natural given the precedent set by the Star Wars universe.
Emphasis on the word MOST, as most characters are Jedi, not Dark Jedi. We have chosen to implement a system similar to this, because it is the type of system we believe the majority of people have fun with.

Because programming such an environment explicitly would be very difficult (practically a new game), admins are given the power to enforce rules so that humans fill in the gap between desired outcome and programming limitations. Similarly, in real life, we don't yet have access to technology that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for criminals to commit crimes, so police officers are given the authority and tools to enforce rules created by the government to achieve that desired outcome, even though the NATURAL state of species on the planet is survival of the fittest.
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