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PostSubject: Same old story from Outcast   Tue 26 Jan 2010, 3:39 pm

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Hey guys wassup, there wernt very many people on our server tonight so i chanced i night time stroll onto outcasts server. When i got there i was "padawan" and outcast was on so, i was sending privite messages to the ATS recruits saying things like "we only offer the truth so go to www.soljk2.forumotion.com and find out our side of the story", i think i might have had one recruit convinced because he disconnected once he read the message so idk maybe he came on here.

Anyways outcast disconnected too but herny and abrum were still on so i was unsure how best to go on, i decided to have balls of steel and set up a bind saying pretty much the above statement, changed my name to phoenix and began lets say.....advertising, nobody really said much to tell you the truth.

However soon after unknown to me outcast came back on and i pressed my say bind, he didnt seem too happy but surpisingly he didnt disconnect me. he said to me "phoenix if you say that again u i will ban you with all the other exiles. We'll if i was banned i couldnt rally any recruits to our cause so instead i started talking to outcast, i said "all im offering is the truth im not bad mouthing you", he replied, "but this is ATS, real ATS". I said "that is your opinion" and said "how come you ban all my friends?". So he pulled out the old "you wouldnt understand" card and also said, "you are new, u dont know about what ATS was, u just a kid". "i was like er thanks but im 21 m8". he replied, "kid attitide i mean". so i said afew other things like "we trusted you and you screwed us" and "how come u deleted our forum and server?" I got very little response and in fact i was probably lucky to still be on the server at this point. I will say abrum was actually being very friendly considering i was doing what i was, he just said "hey phoenix how u doing?". So it looks very much like abrum is wanting to stay clear of the argument.

Anyways surpisingly outcast really didnt seem too intrested in arguing with me other than to say "the real ATS is right here, yours is not real". Taken aback by his disintrest in putting me straight i wondered, is he not arguing because he has no defence, or is he genuinly tired and weary of the bad blood and the conflict? So i left him alone and went to talk to herny to see what he had to say.

Herny seems positively and genuinely sick, he told me that him and sebbat have been having discussion because they both want to find a diplomatic solution to the mess he feels we are all in, he said that he wants to meet with nick and hektor (possibly with outcast) to discuss and remedies he can think of to the problem. Herny did seem very honest, he said he hates the bad feelings between us and that he feels very sad, he just wants it all to be over so that he can get on with his life.

He said that he thinks (as we all already know) that we should give the name back to outcast because he created it and therefore its his property, i said that was exactly what our clan is about, we carry the torch of fair play too, we uphold the loyalty and the legacy that ATS requires and we also bring the great friendships and bonds into it. I said there is very little chance of us changing our name because it means everything to us. Herny said that it didnt matter about the feelings we have about the tag because those feelings should exsist amongst us regardless of our clan name. Which i think i does but the clan name still means everything to us as well. However other than the clan tag both herny and outcast (from what herny was saying) seem to have no more requests. Herny said if we remove our tags and change our name then all of this bad blood between the clans is finished, we would be at peace. Im mean idk about that..........

Apparently (according to herny) both himself and outcast are gutted, outcast feels like he has lost everything and herny too feels the same, herny said "i dont know why you still fight for the tag, you have taken everything else, you have so many more members, we have nothing". he went on to say "you have won the war, you have all the members, all the people, your in a better position than us on the server ratings, outcast has nothing, u are at such an advantage now, havent you made your point?,". he also said "you should at least give him back what is his, the tag is all he has left. All of you have now left ATS so leave the name behind with you and give it to its rightfull owner".

Apparently according to herny even outcast himself has said he feels that he has lost and we have won, he just wants to have his name back and have us change ours and then all of us can be at peace, i know that all of us here love ATS, our clan tag, and the connection that ATS implies between all of us, so changing our name would be no small thing and I know that most of us here are against it.

I tried to explain to herny that outcast left us, and that all we were trying to do was save it, then outcast comes back laying claim to everything which we have tried to rebuild. Herny said that it wasnt the point, rebuilding it is fine, but we shouldnt have rebuilt it as ATS, we should have used a different name. I said but it was ATS that we were trying so hard to defend for all of us, that why we rebuilt it, to stay true to the name and the tag!

I went on to say "outcast deleted the forums and reset the server, he screwed us, he didnt tell us anything how can u ask us to be happy about that?". Herny then replied "he didnt do it to screw u, he didnt tell you because he was on holiday after he did it. Then he said "Do you know anything about the other three?" i said "the other three?". Herny said "yes there were three forum before the one you guys were on." "The forums were previous generations of ATS, all of the three forum before you guys different generations of ATS, they were outcasts and at the end of each generation he deleted the forum and made a new one". (now i didnt know anything about this) But herny said "After every generation it was fine all of the people went to the new forum with outcast and started again, you guys are the only ones in four generations to do what you have done, everybody else was fine, so why has your generation done as what they have?"

Anyway after this herny just said he was sick of the whole thing and it was really getting him down, and that him and outcast just want to put an end to it asap. Outcast of course wants his clan tag back but other than that he says wants peace.

herny also asked my to deliver him a message, it is a message of apology. he said he is really sorry for everything he has said and done on our server and forum and he sencerly apologies for it, he said he feels really bad and hopes we can accept that.

I think herny is a good guy so im happy to accept that but others idk.......

Anyways most of this stuff is what we already know but i just though i would relay to you my goings on tonight, and what is happening on their server. And how herny and outcast feel and what there immediate hopes and requests are.

They want to put an end to it, but outcast wants his tag, neither want there to be two ATS's any longer so they say that if we could give up ur tag then that would be then end of it.

herny is looking into taking matters into his own hand by seeking meetings with nick and hektor an maybe more people very soon.

ty guys, phoenix Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 3:57 pm

Thanks very much for this abrum its a big help and we really appreciate you doing this Very Happy .

However even though this is very good news, we dont want to be too hasty about any decisions we make. Myself and the rest of the council members and the admin will need to talk things over and discuss our next step from here.

But again ty m8 Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 3:58 pm

Karma for you abrum, for that great news Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 4:05 pm

Good news for peace, but to speak for myself I don't have any interest in rejoining the old system. It truly is not something against any members of the other ATS, it's just my values and preference.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 4:23 pm

Thx for this enws abrum but i totally agree with nick i dont want to be under the cotnrol of one person again its very sad to give your loyalty and that it gets treated like trash...i think we need to balance both systems.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 4:41 pm

What we should attempt to do as kindly, consideratly and dipolmatically as we can, is to convince outcast (which will be very difficult if not impossible) that keeping both systems is the right thing to do, i am happy here, i have many friends here, i love our ATS, i have no intrest in being under outcast again. However i do have alot of intrest in making things up with outcast and being friendly with him. (plus we have another server now that we are playing for so, and i want to keep it as ours and i certainly dont want to cancel it.)

We need to convince outcast that having two ATS's is the best thing for everybody, the chance of him accepting this are i think slim to zero however if he could come round to our way of thinking it would be fantastic. (Besides many of us are too far gone now to just back up here and rejoin him).

So two ATS's that exsist together in harmony, that would be prefect. We go our seperate ways with regards to our clans, however from a server point of veiw we can try to become more involved with them and vice versa.

So if it works, rather than give him a wide birth, could keep up appearences with their ATS by all of us going on Outcasts server more frequently and enjoy playing the game with them, equally we would extend a hand of welcome and friendship so that Outcast, maximus, gich ect... and his recruits may come on our server more often and enjoy themselves with us.

Sounds perfect to me. Unfortunately perfection doesnt always sit easily with reality. So maybe i hope for too much. I would love this solution to work, but maybe i delude myself.
Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 7:48 pm

@hek even if it wasn't outcast he played a lot like him. I remeber when i came at the old ATS server where outcast still were leader. I ff'ed him and as soon as i won he claimed i cheated and then he tryed to kill me with emotes etc. :S
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 8:40 pm

maybe i write too much, but i feel ignored sometimes :S
1. i made the update long before abrum ^^: (look end of first page)

Xasomur wrote:
well... maybe an update on this:
outcast unbanned us from his forum, made a topic where we can crawl again back to his knees... he is collecting his sheep again...
no apology... no understanding words... only big words... and for that even gich and huracan made a post...
you can go on their website. you are unbanned

and second, i told you about the lies outcast and his followers are sayin, and so i wouldnt trust them either, thats what i all wrote in the first page...
additionally i said, that their actions and words arent fitting together either, and i only think its a tactic, like outcast proved before

best example is his faked leaving, which was a tactic too... -.-
and this is the same back stabbing in my eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Wed 27 Jan 2010, 10:01 pm

whatever happens....were not changing name >Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 3:00 am

@xaso, i understand what u are saying, and yes it is risky taking discussions with the other ATS, however not to do so in my opinion would be equally as futile, the war would continue, the hatred would continue to manifest between clans and in the end we would get no where. At the end of the day, we all want this debacle sorted out.

Im not say we should trust Outcast and start believing he his being honest and genuine, but we should give him a chance to prove to us that he can be trusted and is genuine, there is a huge difference. It would be like a probabtion period in which if any agreements were broken we would pull the plug on the whole thing.

This is what nick and myself were saying, we not talking about handing power over to outcast and obaying his every word, in fact we are talking about the oppisate, we are talking about co-operating with him only if it suits us (without being unreasonable), and regardless of what he says and thier clan says, we always do whats in the best intrests of our clan first, we will also make sure that if any propositions are made, then their clan will have to make the same, if not more compromises than our clan does. We make sure we are always in the drivers seat. We make sure that if we going to try and co-operate with Outcast, we create a stipulation in which regardless of what is said, our clan always has the last word.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 7:01 am

well... but i dont see that outcast is any accepting a chance... he is offering us a chance to crawl again...
this time, he has to make the first step... and that would at least be registering here...
but he has really no interest in us, he just wants his power back...
otherwise his actions would fit his words

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 7:32 am

I have told everyone in my last BIG conversation about my feelings about them. I am not going back to their system. I am happy with this one. And I am all for changing the name if we must. We could look at changing the name as a new era for us. Something that spells us out. Something... but whatever. This is me thinking out loud. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 8:30 am

Outcast wrote:
For all the exiles Recruits and Members in any year and the cause to inform you that can back to play Here:

1) All who agree to follow as you suggested respecting the philosophy that
started this team and its founders, made his remark with a replic just
saying I do, accept it.

We need not accept mere verbal comments is enough and is worth a thousand words.
2) The founders always taken as the decisions and the decisions of the
council when it is achieved only form a good team again. also
respecting the current board members fully.

3) None of those who were administrators or moderators may be again until
the decision is taken by the founders which this requires time to think.

4) All activities are regulated at the legendary server ATS as usually made it by years (meetings, tournaments, awards, recruitment, etc.)

5) Anyone who has doubts even answer, as this post will be valid for 1 week to make their decision. After 1 week all about it shut and not talk anymore.

6) There will be no retaliation or talk about the past is because it wanted to continue the drive without creating problems.

7) The founders management all it, and the future council management also all it when we take the final decition who can be the new council members.

Cool All those who agreed to return to read again the section of rules and ranks that have no doubt about that.
Ranks & Awards
Rules

ATS Staff

Note: Please Say only "accept" with you real Nickname used in ATS


When the topic of changing our name will arise be assured I will dedicate thousands of words and arguments from both sides. For now I agree with Nick, until Outcast talks with us in a meeting with something other than "we're so vunerable sob sob.....cough*change ure name*cough....." then we have no need to change.

What I hate is the plain ignorance of what we have accomplished here. Look at the HUUUGGEE effort and work, dedication and pure untethered PASSION we have put into our forum and website. Outcast hasn't even visited. :/

The proposal of his above shows no change, only 'i unban you now you like me yes?' - he still reverts to his old system of dictatorship. Despite their apparant 'depression' that Phoenix seems to emphasize with i will not be subject to naive empathy. All Outcast himself has done so far is pressurized us into rejoining the system or he will once more ban us for not actively speaking our allegiance to him. I can read between the lines and he will ban us again if we do nothing or don't openly say 'I agree'
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 8:41 am

ahhh kernow
at least you understand me Very Happy
i would karmatize you for that... but it would feel quite selfish if i karmatize ppl for saying what i mean xD
but u saying it mate !

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 8:42 am

I knew you cldn't be bothered to quote so i did it in your honour! Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 8:44 am

^^ lol thx... er anyway xD

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 1:04 pm

I think we're all on the same page here, even if some of us feel that we are not. We aren't going to be fooled by pretty words, but in the event that some element of reason has allowed itself to enter Outcast's brain, we are not against negotiating with him to achieve a mutual understanding and be friendly.

As Kernow and Xaso have laid out, I too suspect little if anything will have changed if we do have some sort of meeting. But I'm willing to try. It might just be a short meeting. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 2:54 pm

i don't mean 2 butt in but even if Out "changed" i don't think it's a good idea til u check 1st
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Thu 28 Jan 2010, 3:02 pm

NickdeClaw wrote:
We aren't going to be fooled by pretty words...

Lol wtf are you talking about "pretty words"? Outcast can't speak english "pretty" for his life xD
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Fri 29 Jan 2010, 4:49 am

well... a meeting would be another first step outcast should make... but a meeting where we exchange arguments and info... not a declaration as to that time he came back, where kernow, me and vorty were... he talked and just ognored and downgraded our minds

a new meeting would be kind of first step
but matter how it goes, when it will be the same... its helpless

or he registeres here on forum and talks with us that way, so he has the time to translate and all that...

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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Fri 29 Jan 2010, 12:53 pm

as much it's helpless to try 2 get Hurancan right now..
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Fri 29 Jan 2010, 1:31 pm

Wrong, Hurucan can still be talked to, but its gonna be hard to convince him.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Fri 29 Jan 2010, 8:31 pm

i was just thinking.....if mOph was too come back...he might see theyre server called ATS and go there.......so i think we should change the name of our server....to like maybe ~ATS?
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Sat 30 Jan 2010, 8:45 am

mOpH isn't coming back for a long time, maybe never he says.... the best thing to do is look to what we can do, not what anybody else can do for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Sat 30 Jan 2010, 9:21 am

Sad i liekd moph D:
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PostSubject: Re: Same old story from Outcast   Sat 30 Jan 2010, 11:00 am

well...there's a problem there's 2 servers Out's and ours we have 2 find a way to get him to come here
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