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PostSubject: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 7:32 am

Im very sorry for laming pheonix cibbicom and solidsnake......and i ask that you accept my apoligy.....and i apologise greatly for lagging the server and insulting pheonix hora and hektor...and im just so very sorry Sad dont kick me from ATS Sad


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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 7:48 am

i accept it
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 7:59 am

Thank you for this BDL - we will take this into consideration when your topic is brought up in council.

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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:04 am

I accept this u know u were mad Very Happy but i knew that u don t lag like i said in that other topic "I m not 100 prosent sure " and well i never thinked u would lag server THX FOR THIS M8
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:09 am

Hey, lol apologising is the best way droid ^^
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:15 am

Ok, i forgive
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:16 am

Thank you for apologising, as kernow has said, now we must consider our course of action towards you ,though an apology will stand you in better stead we still have much thinking to do.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:32 am

Original post:

Bdl so u say it wasn't u called Hora, Hektor and Grimmjow Sucks, ALL SUCKS?
I don't really belive in that

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Well Bdl but nvm that above i wrote but i can give u one more chance but nothing more but u have to remeber ur actions can easly come back.

So ur forgived..
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:21 am

Exactly teh best way to go Smile woot
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:58 am

thank you everybody......ah im feeling better now Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:26 pm

Don't think you're off the hook just because you apologised BDL, what you have done is still serious stuff..... :/

We accepted your apology doesn't mean ure free of any punishment.

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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 1:05 pm

From Grimmjow's topic about this:

NickdeClaw wrote:
After reviewing the logs, I can unfortunately confirm that the person who said those things and lagged the server had the same IP address that BDL was using on the forums yesterday.

There were also others who lagged the server yesterday who were not BDL.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 7:56 pm

@Nick so it proves that i'm right?

anyway i'll leave it i gived bdl another chance
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:28 pm

thanks grimm Sad
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Fri 05 Feb 2010, 4:17 pm

Grimmjow wrote:
@Nick so it proves that i'm right?
It doesn't prove it, but the chances of someone acquiring and then spoofing BDL's IP address are extremely slim. There are lots of systems over the internet designed to prevent this possibility and packet manipulation of this sort is typically only seen in much more advanced situations like DoS attacks. Also, his use of that IP address was limited to at most a few days, which is a small amount of time for someone to prepare an advanced spoof like this.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Fri 05 Feb 2010, 4:33 pm

Well BDL might as well accept that he has been busted and that he did lag the server, because from what nick is saying not only was there limited window of time to plan such a spoof, but its also a complex and time consuming job to emulte his i.p address and for such a petty crime it just wouldnt be worth the bother, even from the most skilled and ATS hating individual.

Basically from what nick has said, there is more chance of me going to the toliet and shitting out three cats, than there is somebody of somebody emulating BDL's i.p in the small timeframe that it was available, and then using it to lag a jk2 server. Very Happy

Is this right nick?
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Fri 05 Feb 2010, 4:41 pm

I don't hack myself, so I can't give you specifics. I just know that most internet hardware is designed to not accept packets with IP header source addresses not on the network from which the packet originated, and given the small amount of time I find the chances of someone on JK2 doing this pretty small. Perhaps more likely than shitting out three cats, but so small that BDL is [within a much more than reasonable doubt] busted.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Fri 05 Feb 2010, 4:54 pm

Just one cat then? haha Very Happy

Im mean surely (i dont know that much about this stuff) there is just as much chance of a random somebody imatating your i.p address and using it for other very evil perposes such as identity theft, or child pornograph ect, as there is for somebody from JK2 to emulate you i.p and use it for something as petty as lagging a server? (like i said i dont know much the ins and outs of networks and servers)

Plus in the BDL on the server also had all of BDL's binds so unless the binds are transfered with i.p address than the person would also have to monitor BDL to research him. It seems not only very unlikely but just not worth the effort for such a small result on their part.

So i think we can all confirm that BDL was the assailant of the server lagging, his apology is null and void and we must now consider what consequences we must impose on him.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Fri 05 Feb 2010, 5:02 pm

I've been thinking about it some more, and the only way somebody could spoof his IP address is if they actually had that IP address, so it wouldn't really be spoofing. The person would have to legitimately figure out his IP address, and then take that address from him on the network, because otherwise packets wouldn't be sent back to the impersonator so he wouldn't be able to maintain any connection. Basically if somebody's spoofing, they can't get any data back, they can only send data (which means that's definitely not what this person was doing, since they were able to play JK2). And the chances of somebody knowing BDL's IP and being able to get it are very small, especially considering the IP is a host on a United Kingdom ISP and so its assignment is only given to someone if the ISP's hardware decides to do so.

So actually the three cats are probably more likely.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 1:56 am

lol, so what are packets nick? Are packets simlar to a ping? They once they have spoofed i.p they can send a ping, but they wont receive a ping in return? Or a packets actual data?

Or i am just talking bullshit pretending to have some clue about this stuff? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 1:59 am

Phoenix, so u live in durham or exactly newcastle because i might exactly know where in durham or newcastle u live ^_^?
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 11:30 am

Packets are the data unit of network transmissions. There are source and destination IP addresses in the header of an IPv4 packet, and if someone has a program that constantly modifies the source IP address header information, all packets received from that person would appear to come from whatever IP address they want, although there are a number of methods that routers use across the internet to limit the ability to do this. If someone spoofs an IP address by modifying the source IP address of their packets, the recipient will have only that fake IP address to respond to, and so no data will be sent back to the hacker because his actual IP address is required as the destination IP address in the header of packets sent from the server if he wants to receive data back and maintain a connection. Since this person was playing JK2, they had a connection, and so their actual IP address was being used.

Basically, IP address spoofing is only useful to flood a server with too many requests during a DoS attack, because the only thing that matters is sending data; you don't need to receive any data back.


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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 11:33 am

@ Inferno, i live in a small town called crook which is about 10miles outside of durham.

@Nick, ok mate cheers for clearing that up Wink
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 11:39 am

So now I'm curious whether BDL will admit to lagging the server or if he still denies it.
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PostSubject: Re: an apoligy   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 11:47 am

i guess he doesnt even know that his constant namechange was the lagging reason :S and he did it as you can see on grimms screenie :O

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