Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Wed 20 Nov 2013, 10:28 am
@Mereel, when he said he wanted to leave I actually just thought he was joking :L As for the drain spam I wasn't doing it to regain health only to take his force away when he wanted to heal :-p. And I don't see how I was provoking him? He only expressed his anger just before he left.
Why do you think he was joking when you realize he was angry? If you realized he was angry, then you should of guessed he wasn't joking. And I wasn't present, so I don't know if you were provoking him, but it sounds like you were not really helping the situation either, so doesn't matter anyway. And I understand the reason for drain spam, that's why I gave the tips I did, cause it is the best way to counter drain spam (for all I know, Nib might know better).
I am not berating you BDL, I am just pointing out that you could of been a bit more caring of the situation. You are a SoL member after all.
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:49 pm
I agree with mereel here, we all have our ups and down in this clan. It's how you respond to it makes and shows your character. It's your decision to leave or not, but only focusing on one bad moment would of made everyone [leave] this clan a long time ago lol..
Btw @xaso spam, just rechanged his password forum people LOL
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Thu 21 Nov 2013, 8:00 am
@Mereel, well he expressed anger but at the time I thought he was just joking, Danek does it all the time too and he's just joking about so I thought Alex was doing the same, I didn't realise he actually meant it until Danek told me he had actually left!
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Thu 21 Nov 2013, 8:05 am
reading emotion or expresion underneath a bland text in a chat is not alway that easy. i had that problem to at times, people where somewhat pissed off, and i read it all as jokes.... (try writing sarcasm and you will find out where the problem starts.)
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:16 am
Yes, just text is hard to read for emotions, but their actions speak a thousand words.
W/e, I think this topic is done anyway. It seems people have learn what was done wrong, hopefully it won't happen again. But if it does, people will hopefully remember what is the right thing to do next time.
Now if you don't mind I am going back into my dark abyss.
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 8:35 am
Since Alex confirmed that he had left, we need to have a returning Member poll. Alex was Yellow Flame, right?
I think this would be a harsh move as his leaving wasn't really finalised in any way, he is still ranked and membered on all our boards, and his topic was was more a plea for help and attention rather than disregard for the clan or the members. He just wanted some support and understanding and we have given him it. I can forgive him for this outburst as he's been a good member in all his past, and feel comfortable giving him Yellow flame back without further thought.
Of course if people don't agree with me then we need to go to poll...
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 8:50 am
We made this change to the rules for a reason. We agreed that if someone leaves, they instantly lose one rank. He explicitly stated that he was no longer in the clan, and that he needed to rejoin. Not having a poll would be wrong, and defeats the purpose of the long discussion we had about returning Members. Part of the decision we reached in that discussion was based on the fact that we didn't want to be too harsh. The instant rank removal was part of that compromise and needs to be honored, or it loses its value as a deterrent to leaving.
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 12:35 pm
Thanks for the contribution Mereel, was good that you surfaced for the old and great words of wisdom you do so often pull together.
Seeing Alex on the server with his tag on this evening made me query what was going on. Now I am fully updated on what I agree to be a trivial reason to leave the clan. I also strongly support the use of a returning member poll here, precisely these reasons is why we made the rule. The compromise of an immediate one rank deduction is valid here.
The question remains what rank Alex is voted to return with. Alex if you have shown any empathy with Mereel's statement and would like to explain anything you think you may have communicated wrongly now would be the time so I can treat this as a one off error and support you retaining the highest possible rank, as opposed to this becoming catalyst for deeper assessment. BDL apologised and I think something alike would be appreciated from all of us.
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 1:04 pm
Kernow Pilgrim wrote:
Alex if you have shown any empathy with Mereel's statement and would like to explain anything you think you may have communicated wrongly now would be the time so I can treat this as a one off error and support you retaining the highest possible rank, as opposed to this becoming catalyst for deeper assessment. BDL apologised and I think something alike would be appreciated from all of us.
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 2:22 pm
I'm sorry but I don't see why BDL is the one getting grilled here. I witnessed this incident and Alex has no right to act the way he has and it not face any kind of acknowledgement, judging by what happened it's extremely unfair to expect BDL to be responsible for Alex's immature actions. In no way is he responsible for Alex's own emotions and everyone seems to be oblivious to Alex being downright rude and disrespectful toward BDL:
Just proves that he only gives a fly a kite about himself and would help bastards rather than clan members.
want to act like douchebags
you need to stop acting like a fly a kite douche bag...
To add: during this incident at no point did Alex ask BDL not to intervene clearly and I'm surprised you've gone about this in such an underhand way. I know it's not my place to say but I thought better of you as a player and this reaction really surprises me, me and Sanyo were ganging you at FY and it didn't seem to bother you at all, you took it in your stride.
I wonder if this has anything to do with a personal issue with BDL that needs to be resolved?
Subject: Re: Leaving the clan for real this time. Fri 22 Nov 2013, 2:27 pm
I merged your post Sam.
BDL isn't getting grilled here Sam, at least I didn't see that. We're deciding what rank to have Alex back into SoL after leaving the clan. I am waiting to hear his response Mereel and others who have compromised.