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PostSubject: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 8:11 am

So we have decided to change our name. I think we should start by coming up with a few of the most important qualities and ideas that we would like that name to convey. We could probably create a huge list with all the things we want our clan to strive for, but names are better when they are short and sweet, so we'll have to narrow down the most integral qualities of our clan that should be conveyed. The best way to do this is to name off as many important ideas as you can, and then we can pick the ones that are most important to us. I'll start:

Kindness
Fairness
Fun
Equality
Freedom
Forgiveness
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 10:49 am

please dont list names now... we want to get sure what we want to express and stand for.
then we will think of the appropiate name
and finally a tag...

lets keep tje right order please!

well... sometimes i cant bear those all too high words... we say equality... but sometimes it sounds like cliche.
we can think of our clan and some attitudes of it and entitle it as equality... but can we think of a value and then our clan coming to our mind? (even if we stick to things or clans in this game) what comes first into my mind is not equality. its on of the last... its one of the conclusions... but it has some things leading to it that we have such equality.

balance
codetermination
companionability
consideration
progressiveness
teamwork

and... idk... this is something we always strive for... which sets us up most if its not given... and its something that was never given under outcast.
it is a big one, which sounds like a cliche again. but its

truth...
well u know my english sucks... but is trueness or verity not more value than truth is? xD ahh you know what i mean xD

i will update if something still comes to my mind in english language xD

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 11:15 am

The respect ...
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 1:05 pm

to be clear, this topic is not about name suggestions...
it is about the qualities expressed by it...

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 1:07 pm

Ah ok..

Other quality can be patience
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 1:10 pm

indeed sebbat... (!)

and dedication.

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sat 20 Feb 2010, 1:11 pm

And friendship ?
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 12:13 am

WE ARENT GOING TO CHANGE NAME ARE WE! D:<
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 2:07 am

Dudes, once more, think about the qualities, it's what the topic is made for. You'll look for the name later.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 5:43 am

yes to every trait everyone has said.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 5:51 am

Agreed. What about...Neighborly? Democratic? After all, i have found that our ATS has strived towards these two traits...
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 12:44 pm

Guys as I said, a name doesn't need to be complicated. Just simple.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Sun 21 Feb 2010, 3:44 pm

BDL wrote:
WE ARENT GOING TO CHANGE NAME ARE WE! D:<

Oh please man! Are you serious?! Have you ever read a topic in which there are more than 5 lines written??


BTW, my advices are: Prosperity, Dignity, Loyalty, Friendship, Fair Play, Democracy, Healthy Competition. Do you agree? (I've included some that you've already said)
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Mon 22 Feb 2010, 11:00 am

mereel wrote:
Guys as I said, a name doesn't need to be complicated. Just simple.
I agree with Mereel, keeping the name simple will make it the best. But having a simple name is not as good as having a meaningful name. If we want to keep it simple and meaningful, we need to determine the most important qualities that we want the name to convey. I had to delete over half of this thread due to posts that had nothing to do with name qualities, only name suggestions. Sorry if I deleted your post, but suggesting names defeats the purpose of this thread.

My suggestion would be to pick your top 5 most important qualities, and then we should require that all name suggestions convey at least 2 or 3 of those ideas. Obviously we must first come to a general consensus on what those 5 qualities are.

I like these ones:

Respect
Balance
Friendship
Honesty
Liberty
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Mon 22 Feb 2010, 11:02 am

Respect
Honesty
Liberty
Friendship
Teamwork
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Mon 22 Feb 2010, 1:53 pm

Loyalty
Enthusiasm
Respect
Equality
Brotherhood
Friendship
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Mon 22 Feb 2010, 4:31 pm

Respect
Brotherhood
Loyalty
Strength
Friendship
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 4:23 am

Equality
Respect
Fun
Fair Play
Kindness
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Wed 24 Feb 2010, 1:17 pm

Bump for more input.
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Wed 24 Feb 2010, 2:37 pm

Kindness
Fairness
Fun
Equality
Freedom
Forgiveness
balance
codetermination
companionability
consideration
progressiveness
teamwork
trueness
respect
patience
dedication
friendship
Neighborly
Democracy
Prosperity
Dignity
Loyalty
Healthy Competition
Liberty
Honesty
Enthusiasm
Brotherhood
Respect
Strength
Kindness

these are so far all what was mentioned. just to update you Smile

well which 5 do i choose. yes it took me a while.

I like balance alot, because we are balancing alot of things. in every part of this whole thing. balancing powers, balancing recruitment, balancing flame gaining, balancing fun with work, balancing game with reality, balancing the chances of everyone here to achieve what he wants. everywhere you can find balance.
its not that ONLY the pros can do, or that ONLY those who are longer than 1 year here, or stuff like that, anything you want.
I see that what we are recreating is the most balanced clan out in this game. and balance is healthy. and many things are related to balance. <3

Respect is one of the basics. in fact it is the basic thought of the whole thing. without respect only few of the thigns that are listed there would still exist.
but it sounds kind of cheesy, if you know what i mean. the euros claim also being respecting. and they kind of think we "abuse" by disrespecting the player and his rights.
I fear this isnt the right word to call it.
I guess when we call it Respectfulness we are hitting its core better. Because doesnt matter if we ahve real respect for something or someones reasons or someone himself, we are still respectful. We are giving chances, we give warnings, we forgive. you know what i mean? we arent only respectful to those we actually respect. we are respectful at all. so it is kind of misleading to call it respect only.

As the head of this website still calls us torch of the fair play the fair play should be listed. But i guess this isnt the complete truth. not only because outcast put a little "tm" below this frase at his site. but as we can see: you can play fair on their server. if you arent banned. but the fairness isnt given in his clan... we felt it at our own souls.
we brought something into here that is even higher than fairness expresses it: Equality. with equal chances in game you still have a fair play. and furthermore you have it in the clan. You have the chance to vote. and everyone has only one voice in the poll. its equality. and you see: things are measured by its content and not by those who said it. i mean, at outcasts clan everything whats said by an old member is holy, and everything said by a new one is shit. which is unfair. inequal.
If you'd have to bring these things into an order, equality would come after balance. because a mislead decision or behaviour isnt treated equal to a good one. before we have equality we need respectfulness and balance. if you so want equality is our method to ensure balance and respectfulness. and as it is the highest we have, it is important enough to be mentioned.

i see many picking honesty. but being honest is different from seeking the truth. this search for tuth i would like to entitle trueness. honesty relates very much to yourself... telling the truth. but trueness as a clan value denies propaganda and is a fundation for elections and discussions. it is a fundation for the work of the council and the connection of council and members. as long as the council dont face whats going on, because the memebrs only want to be in favor of the admins, the clan will fail like outcasts. as long as the council tries to stay polite by making the truth nicer by lies, it will fail, and we will create a bubble like outcast has it. trueness is the connextion between the clan and the game. between the clans parts. between the members. trueness is even a part of respectfulness. but again its a very important method. without it, we'd have no balance and no respectfulness. and it makes our clan work like this. trueness makes this democracy work, more than equality does.

the last one was easy to pic. it is not a method. its not a fundament. its the aim of all this: Fun. Fun includes why this clan exists, and it includes friendship, because a clan made to have fun creates and requires friendship. fun and friendship goes hand in hand. fun includes forgiveness. fun includes fair play. fun includes having rules, as games without any rules arent funny.

my value house would so be the fun-house (^^) built on balance and respectfulness made of equality and trueness.

ye, long post, but i was forced to say it xD

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Wed 24 Feb 2010, 8:07 pm

carma !
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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Thu 25 Feb 2010, 2:18 am

A lot of those things are just alternate gramatical words with basically the same meaning.


Fairness
Fun
Equality
Freedom
Honesty
Respect
Patience
Friendship
Loyalty (to the virtues)
Healthy Competition
Enthusiasm
Brotherhood
Strength

That narrows it down to the base attributes.

The loyalty one should be executed how we thought we should be loyal. Not to one member or person but to the clan and to the ideals that are realistically practised so it is not an imaginary ideal. 

Yes Balance/Fairness/Equality is the foundation of our democracy.

Respect - Treat others how you want to be treated. Simple.

The union of players and the union of friends. Brotherhood. Let us beleive in eachother.

Fun: Variation, exitement, change and strength in numbers owe to an attracting and fun server which the admin have worked hard in maps and uploads etc... to secure. Smile

Strength - In friends, in morals, strength of the mind. NEVER be bullied down by people if they threaten you. Outcast is doing it to people like Hora and Dmraz, they are too scared to come to our cause and aren't even allowed to see us to gain the full story. Strength of mind - believe in what YOU think is right, not what someone tells you.

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Thu 25 Feb 2010, 2:38 am

Kernow Pilgrim wrote:
A lot of those things are just alternate gramatical words with basically the same meaning.


Fairness
Fun
Equality
Freedom
Honesty
Respect
Patience
Friendship
Loyalty (to the virtues)
Healthy Competition
Enthusiasm
Brotherhood
Strength

That narrows it down to the base attributes.

The loyalty one should be executed how we thought we should be loyal. Not to one member or person but to the clan and to the ideals that are realistically practised so it is not an imaginary ideal. 

Yes Balance/Fairness/Equality is the foundation of our democracy.

some words are other expressions for the same, others you deleted were different aspects and weightings the same thing.
in your list missing for example those things whcih express the democratic attitude, and the fact that everyone has an influence on the progress here.
fact is that ppl didnt list these things for fun, they wanted to enlight different aspects.
and some of them are important:
balance and equality arent the same, as you can read in my post.
balance means as well here in this clan that the administratives have more to say in this clan than those who not. its a 5/7 on the council. which is obviously not equal. but balanced. in fact we cared more about balance as we had the meetings than about equality. we put equality everywhere we could, where it doesnt destroy the balance.

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Thu 25 Feb 2010, 2:42 am

If you see an argument like a pair of scales....equality and balance equal the same thing. Technically wise yes it has different meaning but in the context of democracy it is the same thing. You aim for a balanced opinion - an equally sided giving of arguments.

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PostSubject: Re: The "Name" - Qualities?   Thu 25 Feb 2010, 3:06 am

lol but we dont balance equal. we balance.
i think you remember that i wanted an equal say on the council from administratives and normal members.
but that would have unbalanced the qualities in the council.
these twi things have too different tastes that we cant take them into 1 single word.
furthermore we have balance in other parts then only the leading of the clan.
and we have equality mostly in the administrative relationships between the members...
i dont want to repeat myslef, i explained the difference and importance in the other post

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