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PostSubject: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 7:32 pm

ok guys i dont need your tears or shit about me for leaving
kernow wanted me gone today so i thought i save him the trouble of having to shed tears to HC
yea im not the same as i was.....
im being kicked from the clan for high scripts and aim bots on a rock
im so sorry u guys i didnt know a rock was important to u guys u should have posted that some where o thats right u did some where in your mess of post that u have over some where that no one will ever see
have fun ATS guys that are still cool i hope u see the true the speack and if its not true let me just post it under this if u want to read y im leaving /kick

if u dont here is the last part

ATS gl wish u the best
just remember u guys = outcast if u cant see that yet u guys need to step back and watch your server........really look at it not from admin but from a player that is good.............take a diffrent perspective on the server........ik most of u wont take this to heart and do it but what ever its your loss
let me know how good u guys get in a 5 year old game i hope u guys move out of your parents house some day





IM LEAVing reason


im leaving for a few reasons

1)ats is to stricte about power
2)to sensitive
3)not open to any memeber opinion (dont give me that u werent here bs ive been here long enogh to know u guys.)
4)heavy aim bot and ks to a rock..........wow kernow u are cool u where the coolest ATS but u got admin cocky just like every one eles. watch the power
5)no0b clan at times.
6)no respect to pros/good players (y did u never think vort skriped he is better then most of u cant beleave u havnt banned him yet........ stay strong vort. rock that pk.
7)dont play this any more.
8)none of my friends are here or my friends any more.......
9)cocky..


like i said up there GL HF DS
ill see you on the other side
this is probly my last post b4 i get banned for whats on here so PEACE! GodKillMore/TheReferee
signing out
loved the good times guys its just not there. . . . . hope to come back one day and see some good times..... i wish it was the same as the old day.... call... me....when u guys want to see ref.......over out.,...
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 7:53 pm

Later Ref. Perhaps in a few years when your values change you'll visit us again. I understand that you are young and right now all you want to do is play however you want to play, but as you grow up you will begin to put more emphasis on valuing others rather than valuing that others value you.

But perhaps these statements are irrelevant, because you have admitted to me yourself that you do not know how this clan is run. And it shows: if you knew anything about the system, you would know that we will not even begin to consider banning you for a post like this. It would have been more tactful if you had left peacefully rather than to make immature, snide remarks about a system that you don't even understand. Or better yet, if you don't like the system, get involved to try to change it. That's the point of the system.

Advice and clan defense finished, I now wish you the best. Maybe I'll catch you in a game of CS:S or something later. Take care sir.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 8:18 pm

ok so let me get this strait
for your guys server this is what u guys want to happen
u want a place where every one has the choice to fight or not to fight and where every thing and every one is in line and if some one steps out of that line you are going to punish them.?
sounds like a lunch line to me
its a cool idea but do u really thing u are going to get that to happen
and with the amount of ppl that play this game that shed tears "LAMER" and that stuff u think teaching them to run and not say anything when some one "lames" them is the best way to teach ppl?
u think that ppl should all just take what is given to them...........?
that is teaching your members to be weak..
its not teaching them anything but self controle which im all for but!
is that really what u guys want?
do u just want a bunch of nice orderly clan members or do u want a clan that can fight when they need to and take care of them self.....?
i got cryed to 2 times because some one lamed them and they wanted that person kicked/banned....
you are teaching the wrong thing......... not saying they should lame with out emotion but there is a line between lame and over kill
which not alot of ppl know including u guys.......
do u think its time to teach skill instead of just how to say "LAMER"
and i mean all they have to do is walk 10 feet they have teles im not sure what the big deal is about laming as long as its not 10+ with out stoping i think it should be aloud....
im not u guys but its a thought
@nick not a kid
nice try though |P
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 8:45 pm

Following the rules doesn't mean sticking to an arbitrary code. On the contrary, in our server the rule is rather abstract. You are asked to be respectful, and in this server that includes not attacking someone who wants you to stop. You are right that there is a difference between laming someone once and harassing someone with laming, but you are wrong in stating that we do not understand this difference. We let plenty of lames go; admins are expected to use appropriate judgement in qualifying the intent of the offender. If someone is harassing and frustrating a player who does not want to fight, that is when admin should be used.

It's not about skill. You were in the wrong clan if that's all you're interested in. We're interested in having honorable fun in a game where it is very much possible. There is much to do in this game other than kill, unlike games like CS:S.

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do u just want a bunch of nice orderly clan members or do u want a clan that can fight when they need to and take care of them self.....?
Neither. We want people who can take the word "respect" and dynamically apply it to their interactions with others in the server. If this means being orderly, fine, but most of the time it does not. There is a balance of fighting and goofing around that members must find, and it varies from person to person, but never strays from respecting another player's right to peace. Ideally we end up with a clan that is both respectful and able to defend themselves. Keep in mind though that the core values of our clan are bound to attract casual gamers; this is not meant to be a clan for pros.

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u want a place where every one has the choice to fight or not to fight and where every thing and every one is in line and if some one steps out of that line you are going to punish them.?
If you view it as a line then you should not have joined in the first place. To me having the choice to fight sounds like freedom, not a line. I want to play the game how I want to play it; for me and many others it is a social engagement, not a competition. The point of the clan is very clear, you cannot change our core values. It sounds like right now you simply do not share those values, you are looking to fight. That's fine, but don't try to tell us that wanting to have laid-back fun is wrong. We're certainly not telling you that it's wrong for you to seek constant fighting. We're just telling you that on our server, that's not the way it works.

What's more, we even added a laming-allowed zone to our main map. Laming is allowed in the hangar, it says so in the MOTD. "Hangar = Warzone". I don't see what there is to complain about, unless you're angry that people aren't allowed to ruin the fun of others.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 11:31 pm

I'm sorry if i was a j3rk t0 y0u r3f cuz y0r'r3 a g00d d00d and 1 d0n't m34n 2 4nd y0u d0n't d3s3rv3 2 b3 punh1shed by 4ny1



Edit by sebbat: This is an important post, and you are talking in 1337.. this post should be deleted, but you need to know why are making a poll for your ban, for things like this post -____-
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 11:35 pm

lol, looks like you are just in the wrong clan. i dont think you got any insight into this at all.

1. accusing kernow of being spoiled by the power is very funny.
His opinions about scripting and laming didnt change at all... it even became more tolerant. back under outcast there was only the banhammer. and even kernow swung it sometimes. Him having now even more power made him talk more with those ppl who wpuld have been only banned before. he got more sincere with using such.
when you are on the server you see, that most of the lamers wont get banned. instead we are working on our own members, to handle getting lamed accurately. its what we care most about, and its where we finally punish our own members, when they dont handle being lamed accurately... funny eh?
if we were like outcast all these problems wouldnt exist, because no-one was there to have these, they were all banned. but we do talk. and kernow is the one with the most communication factor. and it got even more with getting more power. he is only acting in your favor, when its about laming.

and even inside the clan he is acting most sincere. he is the one insisting on the new rules. and the new rules are about giving chances, and letting everyone deciding for themself.
which means no-one gets banned or restricted before not official warnings are spoken, not before someone had a deep discussion with that person. we try to work issues out instead of using outcasts banhammer. and no-one here of the forum admins, moderators or server admins can do something, that he wouldnt be able to explain the council, or which was doner without giving the right amount of chances and warnings.
and even about the scripts: members using light scripts arent kicked out and banned like it was under outcast, where even a suspicion was enough. we wait for a prove and even then the decision is taken by the scripter himself (when he scripts light): ATS or scripts? Until the decision is taken the member is frozen, which means no tourney or election until he has decided.

2. and ref, you have to see that one of this clan's basic rules is NON-SCRIPTING and NON-CHEATING. Why the hell are you here, if you'd rather liek to cheat and script, instead of gaining real skills?
light scripts are one side. they are hard to track, and they are seductive and they are mostly used to stop the advantage of someone other to kick first and with high damage all the time. But heavy scripts like lag script, or cheats like aimbot are just cheap and show that the member didnt understand what this clan is about at all, and is just making us and himself ridiculous by wearing tag and using such crap. and its true, you just proved it right now. and that is the reason why kernow was so heavy on you. it wasnt about the rock. it was about you, who obviously is just mistaken here.
and the fact that you were defending this cheats so hard showed, that you are just too addicted to them, to play fair. and we to the better for everyone if someone who just is wrong here, is just shown the way out. you should be thankful.

3. why are you complaining about our newbies, that they dont fight but shed tears? arent you the one who is too lazyto fight, who got himself cheats and scripts? that is really ridculous. so dont come here and accuse us of unskilled runners. you are even worse, getting cheats and then fancy yourself as skilled or a good fighter.
but i dont want to focus on the scripters and cheaters. i dont care for them, why should i. they amy script if they want on our server, as long as they dont lame and harass somebody.
you are so heavy against the new ppl, crying lamer or so. well, did you notice that they arent in any administrative position... ye, it has a reason. and the administratives arent even following these demands from those. when someone cries that, we talk to our own members to handle it, because we know that most lames arent what they soom to be for the lamed one. fact is we rather erase the reason of someones "lame" and we do care. but if the reason is only general assholeness and brainlessness and disobeyment and disrespect, there has to be taken actions that the other players who suffer under that sociopath, can play again in peace. and the measures are taken by the admins, and not by the cryers.
and sometimes you just have to see that a new player, just getting into the game, has no chance against someone. and it doesnt help him just getting owned like nothing. it is like a child has to push a big rock. doesnt matter what it does to that rock, it wont be able to do anything. but after training and workout it may be somewhen able to get that rock moved. and this clan is here to give training. a training that makes fun and doesnt feel like a punishment, when you get lamed and killed over and over again.
yes, and like i said already, we work on the ppl who are easy to upset and who scream lamer before they are even killed.

4.i had to laigh alot on the pont that we arent listening to members opinions xD
we do for everyonewho is ready to say something, who is ready to use his voice.
you werent, so you cant complain.
the only thing you tried here was to take the freedom of the players of our server to decide of they want to fight and get lamed, or to have fun messing around and choosing what they rather want to do. if I'd sleep you on the server I would take you that freedom as well, because u cannot fight at all then. it is just the same, only the other extreme. so you cant even complain.

5. we respect the good players. we really do. but we have a minimum amount of respect to everyone. even to the newbs, which we all were when we were in this game at the first day.
but when such a good player doesnt doesnt have any respect for others, as long as they cant defeat him... (or does even whine as soon as they do) we defend the freedom and the honor of the caressed.
now tell me please that newbies dont deserve any respect and give me the good feeling that i canbe happy that you left.

i barely saw someone so mistaken like you are

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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sat 20 Mar 2010, 11:37 pm

no one is going to be punished, just because no one deserves so.
ref, i got your point, and it is shared by many players. as nick said, it would have been better that you defend and try to change what you disagree with, instead of just blaming and pointing at those. You are free to choose your way anyway.
You seem to understand what is ats, because you must have been afk for too long, so i hope that you'll find what you are looking for.
cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 1:27 am

Ref wrote:
1)ats is to stricte about power
2)to sensitive
3)not open to any memeber opinion (dont give me that u werent here bs ive been here long enogh to know u guys.)
4)heavy aim bot and ks to a rock..........wow kernow u are cool u where the coolest ATS but u got admin cocky just like every one eles. watch the power
5)no0b clan at times.
6)no respect to pros/good players (y did u never think vort skriped he is better then most of u cant beleave u havnt banned him yet........ stay strong vort. rock that pk.
7)dont play this any more.
8)none of my friends are here or my friends any more.......
9)cocky..

1) You're opinion. Personally it proberly has something to do with you not getting you're ZoF admin back.
2) Too the newbies? I don't like it when people ruin the game for me, I don't do it to others. I don't sacrifice respect for the beneift of selfishness.
3) Yes yes here the members have no power.....thats why they have seats in council......hmm......
4) The most objective admin is the fairest admin. I'm not gonna turn a blind eye because we used to get on. You changed, for the worse.
5) Ok. Proud to be one Smile
6) Wrong. We treat people how we want to be treated in the hope that they will return the favour. Most people have the basic intelligence to do this......some don't - regardless of their 'skill' if they don't have a mutual respect for our rules they can't play.
7) Why were you on today? Wink
Cool Look above.
9) You're cocky? I would rather phrase that you are disrespectful.


It seems whenever I see Ref for the last 3 months he has to make some bitter and sarcastic remarks, insulting the clan and community that he calls himself a part of. Ref you obviously haven't been one of us for a while. I'm glad I had a conversation with you today, you showed you're complete misunderstanding of our aims and relations and you're immaturity in you're address to us. As well as showing that you used heavy scripts - Whatever the case it was either this or me having to run a meeting for dismemberment, thanks for saving the red tape.

Bye mate.

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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 1:37 am

Grimlore wrote:
I'm sorry if i was a j3rk t0 y0u r3f cuz y0r'r3 a g00d d00d and 1 d0n't m34n 2 4nd y0u d0n't d3s3rv3 2 b3 punh1shed by 4ny1
try and speak normally grimm :/
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 1:39 am

it's 1337 speak u.u



ref u got point about 1st two things u said sorta..
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 1:41 am

Grimlore wrote:
it's 1337 speak u.u



ref u got point about 1st two things u said sorta..
Its still annoying and hard to read so stop it.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 1:44 am

I think BDL is just not 1337 enough to easily read it. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 2:20 am

yes, i feel like deleting further off-topic... i just like to see if there is somebody even able to defend ref... or if he is able to do it for himself
it would make me wonder ^^
so i will prevent that this topic turns into a wolfe topic.

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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 2:22 am

waste of breath bdl........

Ok back on topic, i dont know you all that well ref, but it does seem as though you have the wrong idea about us, I think the kernow, xaso and nick have pretty much explained our position, there is nothing more to add.

I'd just like to reinforce some key points about ATS. We dont believe that only the better players are entitled to respect, we believe that ALL players are entitled to respect. Our mission is to create that equality. In ATS we try to reach mutual respect and understanding as well as friendship. Skill isnt as important as these qualities.

http://soljk2.forumotion.com/member-conversation-f3/the-name-qualities-t654.htm

We want to make the game both fair and enjoyable for EVERYBODY, that includes new players, we dont want to see the select few lamers and scripters having all the fun at the expense of lesser players. We are here to create equality, that is our mission.

This also includes players not having kick scripts or other paraphernalia in their arsenal in order to gain unfair advantage, although we know that most good players from other clans use KS, we are outspoken and do not tolerate it in our clan.

Judging by your comments, I can only conclude that it looks as though ATS isnt the clan you are looking for..................

So anyways GL in the future ref, im sure i'll c u around, take care m8 Wink
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 3:38 am

ok Phoenix u taked about a wast of breath thats was a big one... u dont know me and ive read the post i dont need u to tell me what they said.

ok defend my self eh xaso? ok lets see here
where should i start....

most of the post (not grim or bdl thanks for the spam bdl) said that ive had a change of heart
well bs ive always felt that ppl should have/do this stuff ive just never said it and i wish i would have sooner it would have been taken into effect.
side note @kernow 1) You're opinion. Personally it proberly has something to do with you not getting you're ZoF admin back.
that statement is 110% bull shit. ive never complaned about not getting admin ik i was not getting admin from this clan i was not well liked for a admin positioin i was to toff or some bs
im down with your hole "peace" crap but why? is there a reason? why cant u fight where u want to fight and kill who u want to kill.....as long as ppl know when to stop (50% knows when they are getting lamed 50% doesnt know when they are getting lamed) dont under stand that <---- ok let me break it down for u
50% can tell when lamers go to far = walks away dont say anything or fights them and makes friends with them with some nice FFA
50% cant tell when lamers go to far = CRYing all the damn time


another thing is this idea of fredom for all and liberty (what ever)
u are not running a country u are running a server !
this is not sims u are not raising a familY!
WTF are u guys trying to get at!?
u change the map only rarly when hek is on (if he still has admin yes i saw the topic!)
what about the freedom to fight? there is only a area for that? thats all? whats the rest of the map ? if temple is "Free" and hanger is "war zone" then what is the rest? gang streets where ppl get lammed and then shed tears to the admins: my saber wasnt up! QQ they lamed me hek bann them now! they keep folowing me! kick him! OR! the best of them all! player1 killed player2 (player2 respawns comes back to the person that lamed him) player2 killed player1. admin he lamed me!!!! admin lame~! lame! lame!!!!
ok that is what i see ever time i get on this server ive been on more then u guys think.

8 )none of my friends are here or my friends any more.......
8 ) Look above.
ok what does that mean?
and how am i dissrespect fulll for voiceing my view of ATS! u guys said u listen to your members well listen up and stop crying that im talking bad about ATS im voicing my opinion

last thing i think
@xaso if i go AFK for a long time and come back for 30mins and i have a aim and a ks and im USING the ks on a rock do u really think im a cheater? wasnt handing them out didnt say do uguys want tosee my AIM BOT AND KS!!! didnt use it on any one didnt kill/lame/touch any one when i was on.
and u call me a lazy ass because im not training and im just using cheats? hmmmmmm lets think here xaso y would I train for a game i dont play any more? y would i put time in a game thats 20 years old and no one plays y would i care to train ? maybe in a few months when i get jk2 working on my 7 then i would have come here to train but idk the spark isnt in ats for me any more its a good start up clan but idk i guesss u guys are right its not for me
thats y i resigned under my own power.

im sure i missed somthing but i will get it in the next post
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 3:44 am

this is probly my last post b4 i get banned.



You wont get banned.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 3:45 am

Ref wrote:
ok Phoenix u taked about a wast of breath thats was a big one... u dont know me and ive read the post i dont need u to tell me what they said.


Right there in that sentence. An inability to listen, a reluctance to commit to debate and argument. Phoenix shows you respect and tries to explain things, you shoot him down with insults and a subtle demand for respect. You're words say "I am better than you. I have been around longer than you. Respect me for it".


I'm sorry......Did you say we're like Outcast?

Ref wrote:
how am i dissrespect fulll for voiceing my view of ATS! u guys said u listen to your members well listen up and stop crying that im talking bad about ATS im voicing my opinion

Its not that you're expressing an opinion - You're tone and attitude is offensive and aggresive. THATS what we're saying. Also our arguments are very logical and morally virtous. All you have to say is 'BS' and 'Screw that' - There is disagreement, then there is substantiation. I'm only seeing the former.


Ref wrote:
another thing is this idea of fredom for all and liberty (what ever)
u are not running a country u are running a server !
this is not sims u are not raising a familY!
WTF are u guys trying to get at!?

Ahh yes there we go. The final transition to the 'JK2 Competitive' - People who demand respect but never give it out, people who resort to cheats for playing superioity, people who have an essence of arrogance and scorn about them, people who are generally competitive - and don't understand social interactions in JK2 nor the rules that accompany them. Finally that person always says the argument 'Its just a game dude....chill...its just a game.'

This game effects the mental and physical conditions of many people through social interaction and active engagement. As a result friendships are formed, people are taught, people are learned from. A social circle of trust and understanding is formed culminating in a community of fellow players. In which respect and kindness are a must. You say BS to everything I said - Well I say BS to that with THAT justification.
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 3:59 am

o im srry can your clan not take insults?
i dont need ppls help telling the jist of what u guys said i can figure it out
and come to think of it when have you heard my tone of voice? do i have a mic in this message ? do ! scare u? what?
and the reason i continue is u guys are so stuck on your looks u want try what i stated (look from the members or visters perspective. nto the post and crap they do be the low no0b member or the visitor go under cover and look what is going on.......
if u dont want to take a look at my perspective and how i see it and u dont really care stop posting if u want to take it to heart and look at it from my view then keep posting
not saying u have to change
but some of u are so high up there that u dont see whats down there..
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 4:30 am

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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 6:56 am

yes emphazise the cr yers again... i told you, the administrators are judging what is lame... and we handle those who cr y... and rarely the lamers. get that in your head. we are preparing the newbies to survive on other servers. getting skills, and not crying.
we dont support cr yers, we try to get that out of them.

we let everyone decide: ats or scripts. you took the scripts. and all the excuses doesnt change the fact, that you demand from others to gain skills, and you are too lazy to "re"gain them... cmon, if you dont want to play its your decision and dont make us down.
it is your decision, and you chose to be everything what this clan isnt, so please do yourself a favor.

you demand respect for the good players... like outcast for the old players... lol...
actually both ways make this game die. as you can see, outcast is abandoned in time by everyone. and all the other servers are empty most of the time. because both ways just undermine the rights of the players... and preven that new players can get good.
its kind of funny how the good players try try to get the power over other players, as it wouldnt be enough being better.

well basically i want to have fun in this game, and i have most fun in this game, when i make friends and get teached and can teached, when i can play in a community... when u have fun getting owned by pros and own the newbies then you are free to do it on other servers and in other clans. this one exists for other purpose..
how funny that u still dont see

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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 7:06 am

lol no its funny that u think i dont see ik what u are trying to preach ik what u guys are trying to do
but what ever i got more to say but i see its not cared or need here have fun in a dead game let me know what u guys want to grow up and play a real game
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 7:15 am

Omg Ref... I'm sorry to say this, but you are so immature... -__-
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 7:22 am

See you Marine!

Good Luck

Ill meet you in BF 2 if you want
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 7:28 am

blue fly a kite u..........and your not srry.........i dont need shit.............
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PostSubject: Re: ats is gone just like me.........   Sun 21 Mar 2010, 7:31 am

Bah, this isn't worth my time to explain all the reasons you said are either a)have flaws b)are completely immature and c) just rude.

Good luck, but don't insult. Actually broaden your mind and open your eyes before you say shit like that.

Good luck, and later...
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