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(Nickdeclaw i know we talked yesterday but i made up my mind and o will not follow the path you guys trying to make)

Kyle made a very good topic and i want to express my opinion about that theme.

I believe that ATS are ''gone'' I mean that many people right now, memebers who have only 2-3 mounths in the clan trying to be leaders etc and dont know anything about history.Some people think that Outcast is a stupid guy who left the clan he made etc.

Some memebers DONT KNOW WHAT ATS EVEM MEANS!!

It is not true Hurracan , Maximus Outcast and GIch were the founders in 2006 but the years passed and many things changed they got more jobs and could not play.The last good active memebers was Outcast and Gich.
Outcast was also in the forum he did VERY GOOD JOB EVEN SOME OF YOU DO NOT APPRICIATE IT BECAUSE SIMPILY DO NOT KNOW IT!!!

Nickdeclaw told me that the recent time ATS was Outcast. This is some point true he did what he thought was the best in the lately time and he had many other jobs but he stayed with ATS.He did ''bad'' job in the latest time but you can not criticize if he did a bad job completely.

And NOW many old ''members'' come back and say < etc.... BULLSHIT (sry about this saying but is something true)YOU GUYS IF YOU WERE REALLY CARED ABOUT ATS YOU WOULD NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS AND BE FAKE.

So i will just have to ask sry for Hektor Mereel and Nickde because i leave this.

I just dont see any good future with this. Even if Hektor Mereel and Nickde and other true memebers who stayed....

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I think you are not considerating what we have done 'till the moment...

i think you do not considerating what ATS did all those years...
:/

Intersting, anyway, these : FAKES, BULLSHIT, etc ... Why ? I don't know what you did since 2006 to july 2009, but when i was ats, i've only seen you a couple times, and not a long time. You see the little recruits that arn't listened ? They play the most. Look at the old forum, before that the he got deleted : me and kernow made the forum live more than you ever did. And we are the fakes ? I tried to make the server respected as much as i could with just skills, fighting as a real fighter, not doing "Much" for the clan by banning all good players. Look at blueninja : spent almost a year in the clan, and what ? nothing for him. so yes you did the best to keep the leadership. Peoples trust in active players and making the clan live : look : hektor, kernow, where almost the last to get admin, and they did the best. They where here to listen to peoples, to fix troubles, if i didn't left ats the first time, it was because of nick.
You tell yourself that most ats doesn't even know what is ats : But you don't even play tell us, come ! show ats that you are here ! you could have been dead, it would have been the same. So don't tell such things to us, just because someone is your friend. Be fair, impartial. The Torch of Fair play, beautifull words, and that's why peoples join ATS. So let them do what they do, and stop critize when you are just missing. You should say good luck to all these players, who are here to make the clan leave. They arn't cowards as you, to leave because of shit, maximus just telling ban, outcast we all know why, and told enough.
That's all.

Ajunta Pall wrote:

Intersting, anyway, these : FAKES, BULLSHIT, etc ... Why ? I don't know what you did since 2006 to july 2009, but when i was ats, i've only seen you a couple times, and not a long time. You see the little recruits that arn't listened ? They play the most. Look at the old forum, before that the he got deleted : me and kernow made the forum live more than you ever did. And we are the fakes ? I tried to make the server respected as much as i could with just skills, fighting as a real fighter, not doing "Much" for the clan by banning all good players. Look at blueninja : spent almost a year in the clan, and what ? nothing for him. so yes you did the best to keep the leadership. Peoples trust in active players and making the clan live : look : hektor, kernow, where almost the last to get admin, and they did the best. They where here to listen to peoples, to fix troubles, if i didn't left ats the first time, it was because of nick.
You tell yourself that most ats doesn't even know what is ats : But you don't even play tell us, come ! show ats that you are here ! you could have been dead, it would have been the same. So don't tell such things to us, just because someone is your friend. Be fair, impartial. The Torch of Fair play, beautifull words, and that's why peoples join ATS. So let them do what they do, and stop critize when you are just missing. You should say good luck to all these players, who are here to make the clan leave. They arn't cowards as you, to leave because of shit, maximus just telling ban, outcast we all know why, and told enough.
That's all.

What are you talking about Aj? i ve been in this clan since 2007 christmas and you say that you have made the forum live more than you ever did? People look i got school lessons MANY school lessons those times and i infromed the clan. You just do not understand that with some people youa re lossing the meaning of this and loosing your respect.

And i do not care about your opinion that you are making about me had other people more ''precious'' for this clan to tell me ...if you understan again.

i am sad... and i am offended

all these old ats ppl telling me i dont know anything about the history and so on... and i dont know why... i know that ATS is older than i am... xD... so it ran for long time... and its the old members effort... but lately... AND ONLY LATELY... i never said different things... so... lately the system made up by these old members was stuck... and sticked to outcast... and you told the things that went wrong lately about him...

but that will never overcome the image of outcast, the one who ran ats for so long... and in such a glorious way... this what happened in the recent past is only dust... but this dust polluted the athmosphere of many ppl... both in ats and outside... and HE did left now... and he took the forum with him and the server... and we FOCUSED ON THAT... to get that on the row again... for ATS...

so there are several things i dont understand... when u are saying there are things we dont know... why dont u tell me? and why are you coming now after all that is done and blaming us... why didnt u help earlier...? we were here... and we've done what we could... shall i be sorry for that? i am only sorry that u blame me for something i dont deserve so i have to blame u for something u dont deserve... but u are unfair... and i cannot let these untrue things stand here...

i dont understand too why u say ats is gone??? ats is fair play and fun and friends... and it cannot go until someone is here... when outcast leaves fair play doesnt go... and fun and friends dont go neither... and as u aren't online often YOU cannot know us all news really... so how can you dare blaming us... and saying in the same instance we dont know anything.. how could we dare?

and i tell you: we are here to save ats and fair play... thats why we try our best! and what are u doing?

i see your point that some ppl blamed outcast for being bad at all... they were wrong and ats is here to not let outcast get a bad image... at least i will guarantee for that! all his glorious attitudes will be noticed... but his unglorious wont be ignored... that is just fair

and those old members coming back are welcomed... i can tell them: ats didnt change... its still the same clan and the same values... the only news are this: we wont let ats-members being ruled like that again... we re-added the highest level of freedom we could to this clan... (or was that a bad idea?) and the kind of leadership changed...

and from my side: i will welcome outcast again... when he will runs with the new system...

so sylba... be fair... just as we try too!

all this is good Xasomur but if you do not respect the history(as i have told before) then why you should name this clan ATS?There many other clans who had the same rules etc.I really with you if what yo u are doing.I HAVE the problem with the ''name''

i study history... i know the importance... the history decides what we are... and u see what we are... so its the histories fault that thngs happened like they did... and now tell me im wrong!

if the things didnt happen like they did with ats we as the members wouldnt have been forced to do this...

Yeah gg sylba, within 2 month, i got 1000 messages, you didn't post more than 50 ( i didn't ever spam, maybe 3 messages at all ). Kernow went to 800 ( spammed a bit more but not really, i guess no more than 20 ). And don't say it's nothing. Herny to 900, hektor to 800, and else. If the server has no messages, then no forum, ... . Also, i don't think that you helped anyone in the forum, about jk2 or else, never gave your opinion about new members, new projects. Absent, died, that's all. Don't tell now that we are fakes, ok ? Or i make you eat your ass, easily. I am fed up to hear : we are leaders, we made this clan, we make the clan.
You are leaders, cool. But i warned maximus about 3 times that ats was in bad time, he didn't want to hear nothing, telling that everything is ok, and else. Now see ? And you ? Just nothing, so stfu, you don't have to open your mouth while you didn't have for 6 months. If you would be interested, you would help, or try to make ats live, not telling that new system is shit. If you prefer dictator ship, make your new clan, and rule yourself.
Peoples who have let ats in this shit don't deserve to lead ats, only poeples who make it live and come up.
Ignorant, now what you speak about, and think a bit. Having a old name in ATS doesn't make you better than any other guy. Even the newest members are here to help. They want this clan to live. ATS was not stolen from dictators, but gave to people who deserve it.

were did i say that i am leader man? Look just express my oppinion in a hard way and some dont respect that i just have to say that i do not consider this as something growing up of ATS:/.maybe STA

Yeah yeah, don't hide as the victim. You tried, you failed. ATS is a clan, it had 30 members before outcast fucked up, so now, ATS is still alive, with his its 30 members. Name won't be changed, as ATS is ATS, Hektor was and is ATS, kernow was and is ATS, Nick was and is ATS, same for all. And same for me, I was ATS and i still defend ATS. ATS won't change name because it went from dictatorship to a fair lead clan, Ok

omg sylba dont be pig headed... we want to be constructive here in ats... but u are destructive... if u dont want to help accurately... dont help at all pls

no, we are trying to repair what had just happened. And we, as a community, want to improve the previous system. WE talked a lot bout this. WE know what we're doing, and we consider you part of this

Nice sign Sylba.Outcast would be pleased.Pleased of those loyal guyes who stayed with him to the end of ATS history and maked his last wish.

ty but thats not only for Outcast m8 it is for all whoa re true

Excuse me sylba..but u dont really know outcast..and u really dont the old memebers..U DONT EVEN KNOW NOTHING..Of coruse we know what ATS is thats why i kept on going to the server and helping on everything i can..BUT OUTCAST WAS OBSSESED BY SAYING LUSANT,BLUENIJA,ERROR-ONE,FISTO,ETC WHERE FUCKING HACKERS,LAMERS,SCRIPTERS,FAJERS AND WTF!!! Man i've been on ATS hte same time as you do..since 2007 august or so... i joined some bad clans ..yes i am a human and i can have MISTAKES but..i fixed them i left that clans and joined ATS always...and let me tell you that i know what is ATS better than u do..2hte torch of fair play.." Play with you skills not with stupid cheats..helo your clan mates..theyre like your brothers...always be an honor person..never make fun of ppl that doesnt know how to play..help them,teach them how to ve good players..no matter what...and yeah i got BANNED CAUSE OUTCAST WAS OBSSESED I always helped my clanmates do whatever i could on clan...and u can ask most of the memebers..i never left them alone..always trusted on them and i just got kicked with out any prove..so yeah..think twice..OUTCAST LEFT US!! didnt even helped us by letting soemone the rcon or at least the .cdf for the server..and u know why?? cause he doesnt truste in almost anyone in this clan..lusantlueg that was an odler member than i got banned..cause he defeated outcast on a CTF match -.-',,X-JEDI got banned..why?? cause she left the game to satrt studying abroad her college..accused by outcast of course for being a traitor...

Sylba we (the whole memebrs) are the clan...and i know i dotn say this only for myself...lot of people love this clan and would like to maitain it alive..Why?? cause we've meet good friends here.. we'va had a good time and we like the way this clan moves..so u can run telling u are a "hero" by defending the person that killed the clan...or u can figth and renew the clan and make it better..now having the chance to do something...and not just being under the commnad of 1 person...think it twice...

BlackKnight

Agree with Xasomur

Im sorry but i stand firmly behind xaso on this issue. Sylba am i getting this right? u dont want us to inherit the ATS name? how dare u? Ok so outcast created ATS yes, were all thankfull that ATS was created and that we have been recruited because without that none of us would have had the enjoyment of jk2 that we have had, nor would we have made the friends we have. We owe alot to outcast, BUT NOT EVERYTHING!

ATS is a community. A community driven by friendship, loyalty, respect, hard work, training, competetion, fairness and above all else making the game as enjoyable for everybody as we possible can. Yes outcast crated ATS but HE DID NOT CREATE THESE THINGS, it is all of us who has create these things, we have all contributed to making ATS what it is today. You complain that ATS has too many noobs who wernt here at the start. This is because ATS is a great clan that attracts new people. It is the fact that we have created all of the above qualities which makes other people want to join us and be a part of that. They see how friendly, and respectfull our clan is and they want to join. I AM PROUD TO CALL MYSELF ATS IM QUITE FRANKLY INSULTED THAT U WANT US TO TAKE OUR TAGS OFF AND START A NEW CLAN. The reason ATS is what it is today is because of ALL OF US! ATS IS A COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE ALL CONTRIBUTED TO!

Please understand that i know you want to respect outcast, that is absolutely fine, i do to. However the best way in my opinion to respect him is by keeping ATS alive. The ATS legacy is at stake. Im sure everybody agrees that ATS has so much life left in it to just give up and quit!

SyLba wrote:

Nickdeclaw told me that the recent time ATS was Outcast

Sylba this is the opposite of what I said. ATS was and is not Outcast, which is why we are continuing the clan. He was a strong leader and we owe him everything for the existence of this clan. However, he left a mess behind and as the members of ATS we are taking hold of our community and attempting to make it something that will be positive and sustainable.

I'm sorry to see you go, I hope it is truly because you think we will fail, and not because you want senior members to remain in power regardless of their commitment to the ATS vision.

ATS is no longer based upon individual power, it is based upon our entire community.

we definatly need this karma thingy again... i need to herit some +10 karmas for those multitalents here

Stop enforce him.He is human and can do decisions himself.Not best example of "new ATS" listening.Sylba has a right for his own opinion.Let him think clearly.

we let...
only thing new about this is: we all try to get the issues solved... and we dont ignore them till everything explodes... -.-
sylba will make his decision anyways