The Determination

First topic message reminder :

Clan mates, friends, brothers! We are standing at the crossroads. Now it will decide, how ATS is going on. We need you now more than ever. More than a week ago, when the server shut down and the forum was gone. More than back, when we held meetings. More than throughout the elections. We need you now. And we need to stand upright, for that what we really want.

This, my friends, and I am sorry for that, this is gonna be a long long post. But I recommend you all to read it, because it is important. I try to make it most readable as I can. I will make some visual effects and summaries, so that u will be able to pick out the most important parts.

~What happened?~

Last week the server shut down, and the forum were deleted. Outcast was gone. And it seemed he would never come back. We used this opportunity and we made a new start. We put our hearts and our brains together to revive the spirit and the values of ATS. And we did great work. We worked out a new system of leadership, where we all can decide now, where we all share our opinions and our power. We rebuilt a dream.
This is all now endangered to get lost again.
Outcast is back. This morning about 4 am European time he was on the server and invited few of the ATS people to listen to his announcement.
I will now here summarize the conclusion and will take a closer look later on:

• Outcast is back to overtake the control of ATS again.
  
• o.o and fod are going to be treated as enemies again.
  
• older members have higher importance and the only voice in ATS.
  
• even inactives are more important than newer ones.

And another point I will illuminate later on.
But here comes the hard stuff: Why did he leave then? It was a farce. He never really left. He just wanted to see what happens. “To find out the most loyal members.”

~What does that mean?~
That means several things. That does tell us a lot about outcast. And it tells us a lot about the close future. It tells us that we are on the crossroads.
But I tell you: We are gonna decide which way we go. We don’t have to go where outcast wants us to go.
But step by step.

What would that mean for the clan: It would all go back. It would all happen again. The forum is gonna be set back, the server is. All our work is then gone. All our discussion is then useless. All the visions of a new brighter era are then destroyed.
No council. No public votes for the next admins and moderators. No representatives in the council. Only those “old” ATS in council. And because they are all inactive most of time, it’s only Outcast in Council. He will say who is gonna be banned. And he will ban many friends of ATS and he will even ban further ATS. Like Dudeman or Referee. His attitude will make that people cant stay in ATS, like all those people who left before and came back now. We will get in conflict with o.o again and with fod. We will all again live in fear, without being able to say our true opinion, because we are afraid outcast will do something against us. And you, as a newer member, will always be a member of a lower class in relation to those oldies.

But this isn’t all. This recent occurings tell us a lot about Outcast. And they convinced me finally and totally that this is nothing we need or can bare.

~The Method~
Let me first say some few words about that what Outcast did: He shut the server and the forum down… to see what happens? Who is loyal ATS?
Its like throwing a baby into the djungle and if it survives its good education? My question is, who is loyal then? The parent, leaving the child in the wilderness?
This wasn’t a step a leader should go. It is a sign of megalomania, doesn’t know his own borders, what to do, what is allowed and when to listen to the members needs.
This was a prove that Outcast finally is out of control! He didn’t have to leave. Not shutting all down. Not leaving us the server and so on. Now coming back like nothings happens is mad. So clear and easy is it. It is mad.

~The announcement~
Let me come net to the discussion we held yesterday, which was no discussion.
He first talked hours to Vort who played the middle man. Than me and kernow were added. And Outcast started to explain. But he was not coming to the point… we only discussed over minor things.
Like that he doesn’t like ajunta, and that he had to ignore him and herny…
The most important thing is, beside the content I listed above, his way of treating us. He ignored us. We listened to him and tried to be diplomatic. But he didn’t take any contra. We told him, we made up a new system. He just said, that the ranks stay the same. I said, that the ranks are same, we have new system for ATS in general, and he said, that the ATS values stay the same. And as I finally said, that we have a democracy now, and not longer one leader he just said that I was confused. He was ignoring everything me and kernow were saying. And this is what he does: Ignoring all those arguments against him and getting his head through.

~Generally~
Of course the recent happenings aren’t the only reason why we definitely have to stick to the new system.
As I said: this is just the top of the mountain. Outcast is ignoring the members, especially the newer ones, since long time now. Many people left ATS because of that. Because of Outcast. And it will happen again, as Outcast seems to get more and more crazy.
He also said, that he doesn’t care about the amount of people for or against something. But he misses. If all those, who are ATS, are against him, he definitely has to think about it. He cannot say 2+2 = 5 and saying, that’s right, doesn’t matter what the world says. Maybe it deserves respect, but it does not deserve leadership, as a leader has to see clear. And he doesn’t even see his own members.
Next point: He says, he wants only fun play in jk2. And as u see people leaving ATS because they haven’t fun anymore, and people hiding their opinion because of fear, there is no fun too.

~What to do now?~
Outcast is a threat for the new system and the spirit of ATS, when he is leader again. ATS will be like a zombie again.
We have to stand together, clarify what we are belonging to. To ATS… and not to Outcast. We have to stay here on this forum and on our new server. So take this great news: The new ATS Server will be there very soon. (And we still have the fod server, they are supporting us in not getting ruled again by Outcast)
U may try to talk with outcast, but u will see that he is ignoring your arguments, and that he won tlisten to u, and he will only try to get u on his side. so keep in mind what u want, dont lose ur ground!
We are all sorry that this ends like this, so violently, but if he would just has left we could have honored his image... but as he now tops his old megalomianac attitude. And as we cannot talk to him we gotta do what we can, and when it is just ignoring him.
He is praising that every action has its reaction. And he was always the one to react in his own way to thing ppl around him did. Now it is time to let him see and feel that his actions have consequences too.

Outcast is back. But we wont let him steel ATS.
We are standing at the crossroads. And now its our time to decide.
And to those who still entertain doubts: just read the other topics. how the system is working... and the argues with sylba. This new era is what people want and need. You will finally see.

Lol agreed ^^

Wrong . I meant with no Outcast. -.-

Ok, we all know we hate Outcast, so lets stop the trashing of him.

Also Lusant is 100% with us. He had a "chat" with Outcast, and now Lusant is hating Outcast

w000t! He hated Outcast ever since he joined ZoF before.

Agreed No Outcast= FUN!!
With Outcast = No fun -.-'

So i think we shld make a poll Shld ATS be without outcast in future .. then we can make a poll who cld be a new clanleader someone with high rank!

Xemnas wrote:

So i think we shld make a poll Shld ATS be without outcast in future .. then we can make a poll who cld be a new clanleader someone with high rank!

-.- pls read the things here in forum...
there will be NO leader... we vote our adminsitration and our council... no leader... just look around...
when we find the time we will make there some nice explanations everywhere... but right now u have to look a bit around in the forum

outcast wont be here again in THIS clan the leader...

for me... he may make a new start as new member ^^

Alright guys, lets not trash Outcast. Like everyone here, we make decisions that some may not like =P. Now back to topic!

Topic is cleared. All these posts are waste of time.
It's done, ats has :
new server
new council
new forum

outcast can't do nothing now. No need to argue for nothing, just let it go till ats come back is done.

URE DAMN RIGTH AJUNTA LETS ROCK AND ROLL xD!!!!!!!!!! With the new ATS system

But everyone...watch out...cus outcast told cibbi (and cibbi told me) that hes got a big suprise for ATS! O_o

Ok, tell me, what can he do bad for ats ?

^^
he can close HIS ats server... and he may ban us from HIS ats server... but we have our own... (when its workin again ^^) so he can do nothing

-.6' Do you read a bit topics ? nick's server is up, which will be the official server. Whatever, will still have the boss' server until nick's one is up, as it's actually off.

I repeat for whos havn't understood :

- 99% of members are following the new system for ATS
- This forum is the new ATS forum, official.
- The new server is being prepared by mereel and nick, soon will be on. Until it's done, there is still the boss' server.

you canniot determinate nothing you STEALER

Empty post once more, tell us, explain, argue.
It's like being accused of a murder, and when it's time for you to defend yourself, you just say : it's not me.

SyLba wrote:

Is this THE NEW WAY LEARNED? PEOPLE INSULT?? OLD MEMBERS AND ESPECIALLY OUTCAST?
LEARN TO RESPECT AND DONT ABUSE THE NAME OF ATS AS I SAID GO AWAY TO DO THOSE THINGS WITH OTHER NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATS IS ONE OF HIM MAN HE IS A BIG PART OF IT .

YOU!!!! ARE THE STEALERS DO YOU UNDERSTAND???!?!? ATS BELONGS MORE TO MAX GICH AND OUTCAST IT IS THEIM THEY DECIDE IF IT STAYS OR NOT BECAUSE THEY MADE IT!!!!!

hmm... seems to me like the "old" way consists out of screaming... and hollow words and prases... and idk... seems like an insult to me...

pls... keep a little dignity...

(ps this also refers now to herny and maxi... they all do the same)

YOU COME BACK FOR CONVENIENCE

i came back to help this clan. Convenience ... -.-'
Look at my place in ats, and look at what i've done, do you really think that it's for personnal benefit ? Use a bit your mind, not hollowed sentences as said xaso.

you jsut come back cause out is not here

yes ^^
because he left because outcast was here and didnt wanted aju... ^^

and if u didnt realize it 99% want aju here instead of outcast...

some significance xD

shut up and keep a little dignity to urself

I came back for 2 reasons :
-What made me leave has gone, so why should i stay away ?
-The clan wasn't in perfect health, so i came back to help my best.
And btw, you are not happy that i am back just because i defend ats rights, so as says xaso, keep dignity to yourself. Don't find bad reasons.

you XASOMUR never say me again Shut up man

Herny..plz stop saying that we come back for convienience...i never left, ajunta,lusant and the other unjustified banned members never left they just where cloaked as i, cause Outcast hated us for no reason... always arguing we scripted,hacked or lamed but he never got proves of anything.. u better look out cause if Outcast comes back maybe one day u will be one of the banned...and dont tell mee he wont do that, cause it was the same i thought and look at me banned for bieng suspicious of bein o.o-Kell...ask for proves u will never find em.

The point is .. we are here not for perosnal benefit..as u can see everything has been done taking everyones opinion with polls ans topics...