New maps added to the server!

I added some new ffa and ctf maps that Joe asked me to add to the server. I will try to move the download links to the "Maps Download" section when I have time. For now the link to those who want to download it, will be here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

For DC and HC admins, the names for executing each of this maps are:

FFA:

chicagostreets_jo
dexstersdiner
ffa_jabbabarge
jabba
little_italy
oldwest_v2

CTF:

ctf_bespin2 (I also made the cfg for ctf_bespin2_0regen and ctf_bespin2_guns)
ctf_bespinfort (you can also try it with 0 regen and guns as well)
ctf_canyon (you can also try it with 0 regen and guns as well)
ctf_palace (you can also try it with 0 regen and guns as well)

Does your server have the JK2MV HTTP map download feature enabled? If so, then as most people use JK2MV they would then be able to download the maps directly from the server relativly fast, depending on the server speed, etc.

Shadow can finally stop trying to mindtrick us xD

It's also probably ctf_bespin2_0regen/guns right?

KingYodah wrote:

Shadow can finally stop trying to mindtrick us xD

Can... Not nessessarily will.

Kameleon wrote:

Does your server have the JK2MV HTTP map download feature enabled? If so, then as most people use JK2MV they would then be able to download the maps directly from the server relativly fast, depending on the server speed, etc.

Yes, indeed. But I just put the download link just in case people don't use it.

KingYodah wrote:

Shadow can finally stop trying to mindtrick us xD

It's also probably ctf_bespin2_0regen/guns right?

Yes, i meant that. I forgot to put the "2", but I have just edited. Thanks for noticing.

If I remember correctly Reaver is the one who hosted the maps on his Dropbox. I'm currently in the process (almost done) of copying maps onto my Dropbox as a backup or just so Reaver doesn't have to host them and waste his space. xD

But yea, there's a whole bunch of other maps that also need to be added to that Maps page. Not just these ones. Which I don't have all of them in there but, if I get a list of the skins then I could upload the ones I'm missing. (Only problem will be if I'm missing some of those maps, then I'll have to go hunting xD Being HC would've helped with FTP but oh well I'll manage lol)

Well, you kind of read my mind because I was going to ask you if you could upload the new and the other missing maps to dropbox and pass me the links, so that I can update the Maps download section. But I didn't know Reaver was in charge of it, i thought you were I did make a list of the missing ones and I was planning to take screenshots of those maps too. I can pass all of them to you by email if you want, and when you have the dropbox links ready, i can put them in that section with the images as well. Even if most of people use JK2MV mode, I think is good to have the download links just in case

I cant join the server while its running oldwest_v2_1.

And I can't find any good reason why. I can load the map in a private MP map without any probs and even in singleplayer.
But I can't join while the server runs the map.

WTF is this?

Sorry Xem, it's the only map we have updated and changed some things in the map (and it has a slightly different name now). When Joe can, he will update the new download link, and I will updated it here, so that people can download it as well. Other maps should work fine. Some people got it because of their JK2MV mod. Meanwhile, i will send you now the updated map by email, so that you can have it.

MV And Steam are the Future!

Light wrote:

Sorry Xem, it's the only map we have updated and changed some things in the map (and it has a slightly different name now).

What did you change in the map?

We changed the songs of the map and the name.

Why would you change the name of it? The clients would hear whatever backgroundmusic you have definied in the serverside version of the map even without download?

It is probably related to that the previous map name was oldwest_v2.1, if there are too many dots in the name the map may not work since .1.pk3 is weird file type, but not sure if this was the cause, anyway there were added _ instead of . I think

KingYodah wrote:

It is probably related to that the previous map name was oldwest_v2.1, if there are too many dots in the name the map may not work since .1.pk3 is weird file type, but not sure if this was the cause, anyway there were added _ instead of . I think

Doubt it, as pk3 name and bsp/map name doesn't have anything to do with each other.

Doubt it as well.
I changed the name of the pk3 to the name the server was showing.
Didn't work.

Light wrote:

We changed the songs of the map and the name.

If you just want the background music changed and want to add a few simple entities, then you don't need to change the name of the map, and people won't even have to download it if you just put the bsp inside of a "maps" folder in your DcMod directory. If you made bigger changes to the map and changed the name of it, then that is quite bad, as you probably don't have permission to make new official versions of the map and distribute those changed versions to others.

If you want simple changes, but is unsure how, let me know and I can fix it for you without needing to change the map name, and without people needing to download the edited version.

We don't have active map makers in the clan right now and even if we did we wouldn't add or change things to a map without the owners permission and re-release it "officially". This situation is what it seems, a rename of a map with a change of music because its what we're used to with the yavin_temple changes. Nothing more than that .

But we know now that we can change the music without changing the map name.

This is what happened. Joe wanted to change the music of the map, and when he did it, he also changed it's name to oldwest_v2.1 (and later I changed it to oldwest_v2_1 because there was a problem with the dot to execute it in the server). He probably didn't know that he didn't have to change the name to make the new music's effects work (as well I don't know it myself) or maybe he just wanted to pointed out that it was the same version 2 of the map but slightely different due to the music's changes. Anyway, I am going to update the link when the changed map is added to dropbox.

List the music and changes you want and I will do them properly for you, without anyone being required to download anything new.

I do not condone you guys re-releasing an existing map with changes without permission. Changing it for serverside use is fine, but releasing those changes are something else entirely.

You seem to be making a bigger deal out of this than I think is necessary given the context. But if this is going to turn into an unnecessarily big deal, it's probably best to let Kam edit the map Light?

As a modder, changing and then redistributing the map/mod as a new version, overwriting the original for everyone who downloads yours is a big deal, both for me and any other modders still present in the community yes.

If in original is changed just the music but map is not renamed and kept original name, is it considered as redistributing of new version? Technically, if you change anything and then redistribute, it is new version even if you keep the name or..? Because it would look like the previous (original) version never existed thus scraping the credit of who originally created the map. Or am I wrong..?

KingYodah wrote:

If in original is changed just the music but map is not renamed and kept original name, is it considered as redistributing of new version? Technically, if you change anything and then redistribute, it is new version even if you keep the name or..? Because it would look like the previous (original) version never existed thus scraping the credit of who originally created the map. Or am I wrong..?

Yes, as soon as you make it available for download, then it would be considered that you are distributing a new version of the map, without permission from the original author of the map. Any change made to a map, be it for better or worse, would be considered a new version.

Again, changing them for personal use on a server is fine - many of us do that to add new features, but you can't just start distributing your changed versions and have them overwrite the original ones that everybody uses.

What I would usually do would be:
Have the original map up for download in the base folder, so that people can actually join the server, and then have my modified bsp file inside of a "maps" folder in my mod directory (Not in a PK3). Whatever changes I make to that one will be those shown to the players, e.g. in the case of backgroundmusic, but they will still just have the original map in their own base.

That way you can have personal changes to a map, and have people play on your server while it runs it, without people having to download anything new, thus not releasing a new version of the map without permission.

My comment was because you seemed to be insinuating we did this on purpose to maliciously steal someone else's content. But as you can see from the previous posts it was an honest mistake.