outcast's final mod

Editors Note: Here is a link to a video of what Abrum had done to Outcast's ATS server, taken by Blackwolf: http://www.xfire.com/video/1edfe4/

HURRY UP AND GET ON HIS SERVER! THIS MOD IS FOR DEMOCRACY! EQUALITY! I have uploaded it!

The words you put are true, but don't you think that might be overstepping a respect boundary? I like the enthusiasm but this can only cause problems I think.

I took it too far, just too far... I overstepped. I meant what I put on there though... It's all over I think, they wont change.

don't mean to ask abrum,but what does it exactly do?

We all make mistakes, and this was one such mistake. We can't hope to convince the JK2 community of our values if we get involved in battles of disrespect like this. I'm glad that you both have denounced what happened, and I think we need to put things like this behind us. We need to focus on ourselves and our future. We've seen that there is nothing we can do to earn the respect of many in Outcast's ATS, and it's clear that methods like this are doomed to backfire. Now we must instead focus on building our own clan rather than change the ways of the others.

We must be respectful with the other ATS. If they claim to have the same values we do, then there's no reason we can't be friends with them. We just need to stop going to them, and instead build our own positive reputation. Let them insult us, we must not insult them back. Let them lame us, we must not lame them back. Let them ban us, we must not mindlessly ban them in return. There is little to be lost in not retaliating, but much to lose by getting involved in fights like these. Mistakes like this are bound to happen along the way, but each one is a stumbling block to our own progress. I think we need to resolve to put this constant rivalry behind us, for the good of everyone involved.

Again, we all make mistakes. We cannot undo them. The important thing after you've made a mistake is to correct it, and Abrum and Kernow show sincerity in this regard. More than anything I see this is an opportunity to seriously resolve to improve ourselves, and I'm sure we all understand and forgive them.

@ nick everybody else- i mean this ats had declared independence from Outcast which would mean ATS is also a symbol of Freedom from crappy admins and also like a Vault that shelters you from the harsh elements of The Capital Wasteland of Fallout 3 ATS keeps you in the Light Side of jk2

Eeer kernow, just one thing :

When i was on the server ( i was logged before you all ), i was already arguing with max, but he ran to the training room and took ulrich to pm him.

And i never stopped to argue ( provoking herny times to times for a little fight ), and each time i heard something unbearable, i shoted a sentence showing well was it or is not ATS.
But kernow, i didn't crack to nothing, i just wanted to fight him ( each time i tried i got amsleep and amsilence ).

And you made no mistake, they fully deserver this, because of their behavior.

They think they can fight us by banning us everwhere when we open our mouth, then abrum use admin too, but for free speak, not for banning max from the server.

So it was not a mistake, and it was fair answer. ( the lag trashs after weren't needed )

It's their server though, Ajunta. We have no right to deface it. We are well within our right to protest their disrespect yes, but this was going too far, as Abrum said.

And we are members of a clan, and neiter outcast nore maximus had the rights to master us lik e shits, and quite us like dogs you quite in the street. ( you isn't for you but for a general use )

THey didn't respect any of us, even you, the wisest here blaming every offensive word you have been insulted, what to do with this ? Sorry, but i don't blame active actions. It was justified this time, and fully fair ( and no damage to server done, outcast just has to delete the mod from the ftp )

I know they don't respect us, but that doesn't mean we can't be respectful. We don't need to respect them, but we can still be respectful, and I think we need to if we want to live up to our values. I don't blame Kernow or Abrum for what they did; they did what they felt was right at the time. But in looking back on it, I think it's fair to say that it seems to contradict our morals of being respectful. Regardless of whether they deserved it or not, things like this will have no positive impact; they lead only to more problems. That's why I think it was a mistake, and I think Abrum and Kernow recognize this as well.

we should be more respectfull for other ATS with outcast etc. becuse if we do that MAYBE they will be respectfull to us u never know what can happen in the REAL WORLD we should work most on that sorry if i m rong

if that happens and Out comes in with his boys i got a secret weapon for him

Ajunta if they are insulting us [OUTCAST] and others and if we insult back then we are just so bad as they are it wont chanche something to insult somebody i mean.
they say bad words to us, but if we say back then we are bad verry bad.
sorry for multi post

you didn't double post tweetie it's no problem >_>

But u did grim -_-

Tweetie, my insults arn't free, they are justified, and just the result of an argue.
They are meaning full about them, not just to make them angry.

:/

just a thought, if its such a problem, why not change your clan tags from ats to something else? i know i'm not in ats, but theres my 2 cents

lol kush^^
its a deeper issue than a name...

two things mainly:
1. we changing the name would somehow seem like we are actually a new clan, and kind of rebels, like they tell we were, it would give those conservatives right, and seem us as losers

2. ats is the clan we want to save and represent. the values why we joined it and all those surroundings. only outcast wouldnt fit in this ats as a tyranic leader. so fundamentally we see usself as ats, so there is absolutley no reason for us to change our name

only because they nag? ^^ lol

@phoenix dude a double post only happens if you post again after posting once

ah, i c..

Why do we dont abandon ATS tag an name??..
Thats easy..loyalty..real loyalty..to the values of the clan..loyaty to the members the oens that are doing something, maximus and outcast just want to get all the job we have done..maybe they helped to found the clan but the clan was never theirs...is more clan of gich and others than from Outcast cause all of them showed mazimus and outcast what they now know.

We wont abandon this name..cause we fought back to revive this clan its not fair they jsut come after doing anything..and say "THIS IS OURS NOW GET THE FUCK OFF AND OBBEY ME CAUSE IM OLDER IN THIS CLAN THAN U!!"

thats right dude so true

Why don't you show loyalty once more to what what good in that clan, which was under their leadership at the time. Why don't you talk to them as a friend, forget anything anyone has said to you, I found it enlightening to talk to Max, even on/after that night. Max gives out insults to those who listen to their friends just because they are your friends. There must be reasoning seen by the people for the people, he doesn't just want to order you around. He challenges you to think for yourself, you use his challenge (being called kid) as a reason to desert him. Outcast made some mistakes, to me Max admits to making mistakes himself, perhaps there is more the meets the grouped eye.

My 2 cents, humbly,
-Abrum

P.S. I believe much in what I have just said.