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PostSubject: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeThu 29 Jul 2010, 9:48 pm

FFa and Laming
It could be the most arguable term in Jk2
"laming" or "lamer"

Laming according to urbandictionary :
"Used in the game Star Wars Jedi knight Jedi Academy. The act off attacking someone with their saber down or chat bubble up."

what does FFa have to say about it ?

FFa doesn't recognize it. It is part of the game. It is not a crime, or considered an illegal offense in the law of lucasarts, or better yet real life !

Laming :

The Definitions of Laming according to FFa

- Laming(1) - "A slang term for "leave me alone" in the jedi knight outcast servers realm.

- Laming(2) - "A basic inference for players who play jedi knight outcast" this means they frag the opponent to score points, regardless of the players status in game.

- Laming(3) - "An exercise of deliberate assault practiced by players who do not recognize the server's clan rules or ideology on how the game is supposed to be played".

- Laming (4) - "An unwanted style of play within any server that deems it to be disruptive of the server hosting agenda.

- Laming (5) - A player may state this if they cannot handle the attacking player - and may request backup from their clan mates to address the issue. (eg. Tommy strikes down [ATS]Cubicle, Cubicle tries to retaliate tommy by a red DFA, and receives a swift kick to the head by tommy. This could go on for a few minutes and eventually, Cubicle then says in public chat - "Tommy is lamming!" "Kick him!"

Lamer :

- Lamer(1) - A derogatory term for a player who strikes another player down without the other's permission.

- Lamer(2) - A Player who lames is considered a player who disrupts the other player while the player could be in chat and using the server like msn.

- Lamer(3) - A Really disruptive player causing much disturbance in the NF realm especially leaping off stairs and balconies at a tremendous height and annihilating their opponent for no reason at all.

- Lamer(4) - A player that is considered a problem within the server - decided by the server's hosting clan, or other players who do not appreciate the attacking player.

- Lamer(5) - A really experienced well rounded fighter that cannot be halted by the opposing team's faction - usually as 1 unit or in pairs of 2. What happens is the lamer or lamer(s) receive a server warning and do not respond and continue their deliberate attack. If the server's clan or opposing coalition cannot dispatch the attacking players they are called a lamer in public chat. And usually the lamers are kicked or banned.(eg. [CA]Juheti finds an FFa player to be assaulting other [CA] members and proceeds to attack that FFa member while the onslaught is taking place, the FFa survives a few rounds and scrambles and hides for a time, while the [CA] group regathers and finds the conflict to be subsided - they continue the rest of their activites such as dueling. The FFa player returns and finds [CA]Juheti standing at the pad observing duels, he stands on the balcony and red DFA strikes [CA]Juheti - forcing him to respawn. [CA]Juheti calls
the FFa member a Lamer and will either kick or ban him if it continues...

Why we shouldn't recognize the term "Laming or Lamer"

1.) Why do you play Jedi Knight ? To chat with friends or kill to score points ? When you prevent others from playing the game they way they like to, that is a breach of someone elses rights and this is called gameplay deprivation.

2.) There is no law against it, in the jedi knight console cvar/rcon commands there is nothing that addresses that kind of issue. The game is meant to be played, not deprived. There were several anti-laming mods created by players, and most often abused in the past...

That is why FFa doesn't believe in the term laming. We collectively play the game as it is intended. You will even find our players constantly sparring each other to get better. The one comment that is displayed whenever you connect to a server is - "Defeat the other players to score points"... The gametype is Free For All mode, hence it is a free for all...

The latest one is the[u] [b]CHAT BOX EXPLOIT[/b]![/u]

The [b]chat box exploit[/b] occurs when there has been an auto admin designated to "babysit" the server while the admins are away, and sometimes admins will check periodically from time to time to see how formidable the auto admin has been. The auto admin will kick players at will for players who strike another player down while the other player is in chat or without the saber on. The Auto Admin does not come with Jk2MP it is a third party add on. Players lately will take advantage of the auto admin system if they cannot compete against advanced force users and will purposely go into chat hoping the player who is attacking them will catch them while their chat box is up causing a penalty, kick or the goal would be a ban - if the player is frustrating the individual(s). This is the most effective way to ban or kick someone with little to no effort and the purpose of the game is wasted. This chat box exploit technique is used on a frequent level on both ATS and SOL servers.


Conclusion

The term is more gloriously used in NF servers (No Force) as the players main focus' - is to duel or force fight duel. A player is normally not allowed to strike another player down without warning. It is understood to be disrespectful or rude to frag another player during chatting or when there saber is off. Whenever a players chat box is up it is inappropriate to strike them unless you let them know ahead of time. While FFa recognizes the term being used by alot of players since release ; it is not used properly, and most often abused. (ex. Laming Reference (5)) It was rare years ago, for people to complain about laming in Heavy Force Servers as the whole point of the game is to annihilate your opponents with all force means. When players typically complain about being "lamed" attacked, struck, or force to respawn, they have not achieved a high enough level of gameplay to retaliate to the attacks. It also tells the "lamer" that you are not capable of fighting back. And it shows that you are highly dependent on admins to establish a totalitarian rule on the server. It is heavily suggested these type of players find a game where they cannot be lamed, and they will never have to worry about it again. Games like The Sims and Civilization 4 do not have "laming" occur.

Because of laming definition 5 and the imfamous CHAT BOX EXPLOIT - FFa does not wish to recognize the term laming and continues to play this game for what it is. Jk2 is not msn, or aim ; our main objective is not "in game" talking. We are one united hand of players - call us lamers if you must, but we will continue our agenda accordingly.

Lets say we did not "lame" others in any server at all. Would players just stand around and have a chit chat ?

... and is accepting or initiating a duel a form of "Authorized Laming" ?

Thanks for reading FFa's view on the whole laming deal.

.FFa wants to hear from you !
write your thoughts on laming on :
http://ffaorder.forumotion.net/forum.htm

thanks for your time !

.FFa Team and Management.
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 1:08 am

We like players to be left in peace if they dont feel like fighting, if they are having a conversation, if they want to training, or just generally mess around without having to fear being attacked continuously. In SoL especially with our members, we like to encourage ff duels and basic duels between players, rather than have a melee of ffa. Another problem is that when people have ffa in the vicinity of duelers, their duels get interrupted and sometimes ruined, and that can certainly very frustrating for those making an effort to train.

However we recognise that some players like to ffa frequently, which is why on yavin temple we set up the 'approved laming zone'. In this zone you can lame and kill whoever you like, without any consequences. We also warn players that if they do not want to ffa or be targeted by players who are in ffa, then they stay away from the hangar zone. In this intance we actually try to empathise with the ffa'ers (and heavy lamers) by saying to other players "if you get killed in hangar, its just tough luck, u shouldnt have been there". Unfortunately if you typekill in hangar, it will still regester with autoadmin, and there is no way to alter this without turning autoadmin off completely, which we dont want to do.

This is about as close to server equality as we feel we can get, providing designated areas for those who just want to run riot and kill everybody, and areas for those to train in peace and quiet.

Of course in reality it doesnt always work like that, some players stray from hangar and try to cause chaos in the temple or courtyard regions, but its less frequent than it would be if those areas were not provided.

Thx for coming and stating your opinion here anyway Barisov, it will be duely noted and taken into account. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 2:45 am

We will respect these perspectives on the FFa server Smile

However on the SoL server we go by SoL perspectives.

Sanyo right?


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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 4:23 am

Sanyo ? xD Sanyo is too lazy to write here ...

This is Voss
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Ah voss. The same rage+speed then /kill voss and the ATS hater voss? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 5:38 am

luckily we made this clan and pay the server for own own views on the laming thing.
you got the clan. do you got the server?
because when iread this, it appeared to me like whining vested in long sentences and biased arguments Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 5:40 am

LOL! SANYO!! No it is Voss! As in Voss//Pacer.FFa.

Yeah, he is one of the leaders of FFa. He is good guy, and... well what he said is pretty much true if you think about it. But that is if you look at it from the same point of view. Good to see you on our forum, Voss. Ready and willing to raid whenever you say the word. Wink

N3wby out!
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 6:07 am

who else is in ffa? Did draco used to be in ffa?
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draco is still FFa i think. MaDcRoCk//P.FFa is me. is that a bad think that i'm in it?
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cappY//P.FFa = me
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 6:58 am

meh i dont see why. Do u go their server sometimes? they are not a clan are they?
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Does FFa. have a server?
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im not sure, at the bottom of the list i saw a server o.oFFA (that could be o.o or ffa lol, i have no idea) But u should know snake if your with them.

To be honest it looks like most of the servers on the list are redundant, they never have any players on. Are most of them extinct?

I played on LOL homebase earlier, thats at the bottom of the list, thats simlar to CA. But to be honest most of the servers on that list look dead to me.
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yes that's tru many of the servers are empty all ways when you look them. I just know that FFa. didn't have server earlier so idk.
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Oh they probably dont then, in which case they will be classed as a team, rather than a clan or guild.
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeFri 30 Jul 2010, 7:34 am

Playing the game is defined in the real world as playing the game, not the way in which you play the game. JK2 was specifically designed to accommodate mods so that servers could control how they wanted JK2 to be played on their server. The use of these mods constitutes playing JK2, easily deduced by the fact that they are mods for the game JK2. For this reason, it is a flawed attempt to claim that playing the game by rules other than "kill" is not playing the game.

On our server, harassment is against the rules. This can take many forms, and the common JK2 term for player-player "physical" harassment is laming. Saying that you do not recognize the word "laming" is simply admitting that you choose to break rules, it is not a feat of purification of the game.

As others have said, on your own server, where you choose what is acceptable behavior, you may decide that laming does not exist. While you are on our server, you will likely be held accountable for our take on the way that JK2 should be played.

A murderer may say he or she does not recognize the term "murder" and that survival of the fittest is the rule of nature, but this does not make him or her a prophet of truth, nor does it convince society to legalize murder.
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FFa is a guild, and yes Voss has a server.
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well when people are no sol doesnt do anything about laming like devy and laaaf they lame alot in temple and nothing happens to them ???
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PostSubject: Re: What FFa thinks of this term "Laming"   What FFa thinks of this term "Laming" Icon_minitimeSat 31 Jul 2010, 12:26 am

What is that server called on the list mereel? (dont say ffa. lol)
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Voss is just ignorant to our perspective and our culture.

Do I parade a naked woman around Sudan and say 'It isn't my way to hide up a woman!' - No. The principle of respect stands.
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voss nice words, it's a persepctive of laming, but not a way to handle it.

In the world, each country has different laws, different ways to live. It's same in jk2, each clan chooses how is the server meant to be played.

So even if what you say is right about laming, we prefer having a calmer playing, and thus we forbid laming ( still hangar laming zone ). We give a fair point for each type of playing but still privilegiate our playing, since it's OUR server.
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ShapeShifter wrote:
well when people are no sol doesnt do anything about laming like devy and laaaf they lame alot in temple and nothing happens to them ???

nothing xD devy is only banned. i guess we shall next time visit him at home and kill him Smile
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Server name:


It is .....FFa(No admins here)

Or something like that.
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We'll respect the rules on your server. In turn, please respect the rules on our server.

What am I saying? I never go on the server anymore! xD
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Kernow Pilgrim wrote:
Voss is just ignorant to our perspective and our culture.

LoL
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